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1 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | blueberrypie | 2261 | ||
In Heb:6:4-6 it states that it is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirt, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Please tell me what this means? does this mean if we fall that we canot go back to God? I would appreciate it if someone could help me with these verses. Please help me understand what this means. Thank you Angala | ||||||
2 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 2262 | ||
" . . . logically [Heb 6:4] implies that if salvation were to be lost, it would be impossible for that person to be born again, lose it, and then be born again again. This much is clear: whoever openly and consciously rejects Jesus Christ is unregenerate even if he seemed to have been saved ealier." Whether he had lost his salvation or never had it to begin with, "either way, the result is identical." (note at Heb. 6:4ff, NRSV Harper Study Bible, Zondervan, 1991) . . . The warning in Heb 6:6-8 "is issued to those who have been instructed and even moved by the Holy Spirit but have never committed themselves to Christ. [In this passage] the experiences outlined may precede and even accompany salvation, but they do not always result in salvation. Scripture abundantly affirms the Christian's eternal security; therefore this passage must not be interpreted as teaching that believers in Christ can lose their salvation. See Jn3:15-16, 36; 10:27-30; Rom 8:35,37-39; Eph 1:12-14; 4:30; Phil 1:6; Heb 10:12-14; 1 Pet 1:3-5" (note at Heb 6:4, New Scofield Reference Bible, Oxford, 1967). |
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3 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | zach† | 33986 | ||
kalos; I am new to this forum and was checking over some past debates and thought that if appropriate I would revive this thread by adding a few comments concerning Heb. 6:4-6 I found from Charles Spurgeon. Also I have enjoyed reading other posts of yours :) Having said that I will now post the comments of Spurgeon I mentioned. Spurgeon on Heb. 6:4-6 (Those mentioned are true and real Christian's) "We come to this passage (Hebrews 6:4-6) ourselves with the intention to read it with the simplicity of a child, and whatever we find therein to state it; and if It may not seem to agree with something we have hitherto held, we are prepared to cast away every doctrine of our own, rather than one passage of scripture." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "a child reading this passage, would say, that the persons intended by it must be Christians. If the Holy Spirit intended to describe Christians, I do not see that he could have used more explicit terms than there are here." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "How can a man be said to be enlightened, and to taste of the heavenly gift, and to be made partaker of the Holy Ghost, without being a child of God?" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "I think that I shall be able to show that none but true believers are here described." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "First, they are spoken of as having been once enlightened, This refers to the enlightening influence of God's Spirit .... I cannot consider a man truly enlightened unless he is a child of God." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "the next thing that God grants to us is a taste of the heavenly gift, by which we understand, the heavenly gift of salvation." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "we cannot think that the Holy Spirit would describe an unregenerate man as having been enlightened, and as having tasted of the heavenly gift, No, my brethren, If I have tasted of the heavenly gift, I am one of his." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "no man can be a partaker of the Holy Ghost, and yet be unregenerate." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) 'further..... they have tasted the good word of God .... I say again, if these people be not believers-who are?" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "They had received the powers of the world to come.... powers with which the Holy Ghost endows a Christian." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "These, we say, whatever may be the meaning of the text, must have been, beyond a doubt, none other than true and real Christians" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) |
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4 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | kalos | 33992 | ||
Heb 6:4-6 What does it mean...? Hebrews 6:4 "Enlightened. "They had received instruction in biblical truth which was accompanied by intellectual perception. Understanding the gospel is not the equivalent of regeneration. In John 1:9 it is clear that enlightening is not the equivalent of salvation. "Tasted the heavenly gift. "Tasting in the figurative sense in the NT refers to consciously experiencing someting. The experience might be momentary or continuing. Christ's 'tasting' of death was obviously momentary and not continuing or permanent. All men experience the goodness of God, but that does not mean they are all saved. Many Jews, during the Lord's earthly ministry experienced the blessings from heaven He brought -- in healings and deliverance from demons, as well as eating the food He created miraculously. Whether the gift refers to Christ or to the Holy Spirit, experiencing either one was not the equivalent of salvation. "Partakers of the Holy Spirit. "Even though the concept of partaking is used in Heb 3:1; 3:14; and 12:8 of a relationship which believers have, the context must be the final determining factor. This context in vv. 4-6 seems to preclude a reference to true believers. It could be a reference to their participation, as noted above, in the miraculous ministry of Jesus who was empowered by the Spirit or in the convicting ministry of the Holy Spirit which obviously can be resisted without experiencing salvation." (Note at Hebrews 6:4, MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997. For all Scripture references, see the MacArthur Study Bible.) |
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5 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | zach† | 34062 | ||
kalo; Thank you for responding to the note which I delivered to you. I notice that you replied with a explanation from John McArthur, which I have previously read. It is my contention that McArthur along with those of the Reformed faith must define Heb. 6:4-5 to fit their doctrine of Perseverance of the faith. I know I sent you some comments on this much debated scripture from Spurgeon, who himself was a Calvinist, and who also believed in Perseverance of the saints, however it is also my contention that even though Spurgeon seemingly believed that those mentioned in Heb 6 were true Christian's, later on he contradicts his initial thoughts as he so often did in other commentaries as well. No matter what the Holy Spirit was trying to reveal to him about the text, the final authority for him, as others like McArthur became Calvinism. Remove Calvinism, Arminianism and all other ism's and then we begin to see Scripture through the Holy Spirit's teaching. That is not to say McArthur and others were not led in their understanding of Scripture by the Holy Spirit, but in this text they have tried to make Calvinism the authoritive teaching. Heb. 6:6 is especially clear when it states: "and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again." the word "renew" here is anakainosis - meaning COMPLETE change for the better the term "fall away" indicates that they fell away from the faith. I contend that you cannot fall from a cliff without first being on a cliff, as you cannot fall from the faith without first being in the faith. see 1 Tim 4:1 also Thank you agian for your time God richly bless you as you spend time with Him in His word zach |
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