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1 | WHO is Hebrews 6:4-11 refering to? | Heb 6:4 | silverbullet | 144152 | ||
New here, but not new to Christianity. When I first received Christ, I was in non-denominational setting where there were many 'on fire' Christians, but also various different doctrines, and they all had verses to support their views. It is funny now, but as a new Christian I felt like these opposing views were yanking me back and forth, as each tried to sway me to their view. So, I had to dig deep into scripture and consider everything that these opposite views were so sure of. There were several I had to study the word about, but relevant to this discussion,eternal security and the doctrine of election. I learned that was called Calvinism vs Armenianism. That one really gave me a fit. I read the books they suggested, the scriptures, and found a few more scriptures on my own that those who were so adament had not told me about. I guess in all honesty, I came to believe in some of the things the Calvinists were saying, although the armenians certainly had some good points too. But, in both cases, in those very adament, it seemed that when they ran into a difficult scripture that was hard to fit into their 'doctrine box', it was given an 'unnatural' interpretation, which I was unwilling to do. Because of my determination to be as unbiased as possible in approaching God's word, I left some questions unanswered. I would have to say that I do believe in election, but cannot say that I am strongly 'Calvinistic', either. I think that where most scripture is pretty obvious, as to the meaning and natural interpretation, there are a few scriptures which are difficult. I remember this one as being a very difficult one, in terms of eternal security, in which what one believes seems incluenced by Calvinistic leanings vs armenian, where calvinists would be clearly in the 'eternal security' camp, while many armenians believe in eternal security too, but some armenians seem to believe that it is possible to fall from grace and of course am aware of these views. For that reason, I do not see it as a Calvinistic/armenian issue only. Looking at it again, it is still difficult and feel disinclined to over interpret certain words to make them 'fit' my doctrinal bias. On this one, I have to say that I would not feel comfortable making such a strong stance as to whether certain parts refer to 'those in Christ' or those who 'sampled Christ' without becoming completely His. Perhaps in time, the Holy Spirit will reveal more of this one to me, but for now, it's true meaning is somewhat of a 'mystery'. I really think a person who did not know anything about eternal security, Calvinism, etc, may also be inclined as am I, to say 'this is a difficult passage, and I am not absolutely sure which group of folks are being referred to here'. Laura |
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2 | WHO is Hebrews 6:4-11 refering to? | Heb 6:4 | DocTrinsograce | 144153 | ||
Hi, Sister Laura... Welcome to the forum! You know, if the various debates only made you think, and search the Scriptures like the noble Bereans, then they have done a very good thing! I hope you hang around the forum for a good long time! :-) I like your username! It reminded me of a quote of one of the old divines. (I may have already posted it in the past... sorry if this is a duplicate.) See below. In Him, Doc Question: How shall we know that we love the reproofs of the Word? Answer 1: When we desire to sit under a heart-searching ministry. Who cares for medicines that will not work? A godly man does not choose to sit under a ministry that will not work upon his conscience. Answer 2: When we pray that the Word may meet with our sins. If there is any traitorous lust in our heart, we would have it found out and executed. We do not want sin covered, but cured. We can open our breast to the bullet of the Word and say, "Lord, smite this sin." Answer 3: When we are thankful for a reproof: "Let the righteous strike me; It shall be a kindness. And let him rebuke me; It shall be as excellent oil; Let my head not refuse it. For still my prayer is against the deeds of the wicked." (Psa. 141:5). David was glad of a reproof. Suppose a man were in the mouth of a lion, and another should shoot the lion and save the man, would he not be thankful? So, when we are in the mouth of sin, as of a lion, and the minister by a reproof shoots this sin to death, shall we not be thankful? A gracious soul rejoices when the sharp lance of the Word has pierced his abscess. He wears a reproof like a jewel on his ear: "Like an earring of gold and an ornament of fine gold is a wise reprover to an obedient ear." (Prov. 25:12). To conclude, it is convincing preaching which must do the soul good. A nipping reproof prepares for comfort, as a nipping frost prepares for the sweet flowers of spring. --Thomas Watson |
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