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1 | When did the Word become the Son? | Heb 5:5 | Brent Douglass | 37340 | ||
Was there an experiential "change" in the relationships of the essentially unchangeable Godhead when the Son was conceived? Were "God the Father" and "God the Son" new roles taken by the eternal Majesty (Heb 1:3; 8:1) and the eternal Word (Jn 1), or did these roles exist experientially within the Godhead from eternity? God does not change in His essence. However, did the eternal Majesty in heaven "become" the Father of the eternal Word (and the eternal word "become" the Son of the Majesty) at that time but not before (experientially)? |
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2 | When did the Word become the Son? | Heb 5:5 | segerstrale | 37346 | ||
John 1:1. a, God b, word.The word refers to CHRIST verse 14. Rev 19:13 and proves His pre-existence. Mica 5:1-2. Rev.1:8, 11:2-8, 22:13-16. He is an eternal Being, as also are the Father and the Holy Spirit, Psalm 90:1-2. Heb 9:14. They make the Divine Trinity 1John 5:7 |
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3 | When did the Word become the Son? | Heb 5:5 | Brent Douglass | 37386 | ||
Thank you for your explanation of the eternal nature of the Word. I am in full agreement with you. However, my question was whether the relationship BETWEEN the eternal Word and the eternal MAJESTY changed experientially, NOT whether the essential nature of the eternally triune Godhead changed. Thanks for adding the necessary clarification. I apologize if the question came across muddled. There would be certain implications related to such a change in experiential relationship, as well as the resulting transformation in the way God experientially identifies with and deals with the faithful -- both those before and after Christ's incarnation. However, that's a different question. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with the church fathers to know how this particular idea has been considered, and I want to be careful not to hold this view if there are hidden stumbling blocks associated with it. This is why I brought the question to the forum. Once again, thank you, Segerstrale, for helping me to clarify that the question was NOT related to the eternality of Jesus Christ the eternal Word or the unchangeable nature of the essence of the triune God. The question assumes these eternal attributes as givens. |
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4 | When did the Word become the Son? | Heb 5:5 | srbaegon | 37394 | ||
Hello Brent What you refer to is called "Incarnational Sonship." The most notable proponent of this view was John MacArthur of Grace Community Church and "Grace to You" radio program. I say was because he has reversed his position to "Eternal Sonship" which also uphold. See http://www.gty.org.uk/articles/sonship2A.htm Steve |
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5 | When did the Word become the Son? | Heb 5:5 | Brent Douglass | 37446 | ||
Thank you, srbaegon, for MacArthur's article. I have great respect for John MacArthur and the way he handles the Scriptures, and his statement was helpful. It was conforting to see that MacArthur identifies the "Incarnational Sonship" view as not being a heretical view although he has changed to the majority "Eternal Sonship" view. Certainly my recent study of Hebrews has stimulated this thinking, although much of it comes from the interaction in heaven surrounding Christ's return after taking on the role of eternal High Priest, and not simply the Psalm 2:7 quotation. I'll probably keep this on the back burner for now, but I'm glad to know it's not considered heretical -- at least by MacArthur's standards. I'd appreciate any additional comments, as well. |
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