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1 | Discussion of Heb 2:9 and I John 2:2 | Heb 2:9 | MIILAZ | 31096 | ||
Please explain Hebrews 2:9 and I John 2:2 from a Calvinist position. | ||||||
2 | Discussion of Heb 2:9 and I John 2:2 | Heb 2:9 | Jesusman | 31131 | ||
Hello, I have long given up in trying to understand the thinking of Calvinism. While I agree with parts of it, I find it difficult to accept Calvinism fully. From the reading of the two verses, It sounds like you are questioning the Calvinistic belief that Christ died for the elect only. Correct? I have argued this over and over with many Calvinists, and the reply I recieve is always the same. I personally believe that Christ died for the Sins of every person. He had to, or else his job would've been only half completed, and death would not have been fully conquired. Also, in Revelation 20, you have the scene before God, where the final judgement takes place. It is recorded that all people are there before God. In another passage (I don't remember where), it says that God cannot be in the presence of Sin. Now, how can God and every person who has ever lived be in the same place at the same time, especially in heaven? The only answer I have been able to find is that Jesus died and paid for the sins of every person, and that we are responsible for accepting that payment. If not, we pay for it ourselves with our souls. I am not saying that every person is saved, but that the overall debt to sin was paid for on the Cross, and it then becomes a matter of whether you'll accept this payment, or pay the debt on your own. I attempt to back this up with passages that refer to Christ dying for all of mankind, like John 3, these that you have listed, and others. Now, for the Calvinist response I keep getting. As for the term "everyone", "whole world", "mankind", and etc, they'll tell me that it is a generalization. It doesn't mean every single individual. Christ died for mankind as a whole, not for every individual in mankind. Such is the case for these verses. An example that some have used to clarify this is talking about a person who travels a lot. Sometimes we will talk about that person and say something like, "He has been all over the World ...". Now, has this gentleman stepped onto every single square inch that is upon the globe, or has he been to a lot of places around the world? So, that is the answer I keep getting. I still disagree with it, but I keep getting it. I hope this helps. Jesus Loves You! Jesusman |
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