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1 | Is the Father's heart humbe? | Heb 1:7 | kalos | 56859 | ||
Greetings, Estelle! Good to hear from you. I welcome your question and I will do my best to give a Scriptural answer. You write: "If the Son is God and the Son is humble, then God is also humble." If by this you mean to say that God the Father is humble, then this is a false syllogism. If one said, ""If the Son is the Father and the Son is humble, then the Father is also humble," this, too, would be a false syllogism. The Son is NOT the Father. First of all, the Son is not the same as the Father. It is true that both the Son and the Father are God; yet it is also true that the Son IS NOT the Father. Neither is the Father the Son. These are two separate PERSONS. Using the above logic one could say: The Son took upon Himself a body of flesh and came to earth as the suffering servant. Therefore, the Father took upon Himself a body of flesh and came to earth as the suffering servant. This is not so. I do not find any Scripture that depicts God the Father as humble, or possessing humility. Humble is defined as: ": reflecting, expressing, or offered in a spirit of deference or submission [a humble apology]. ": ranking low in a hierarchy or scale" (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary) Where in Scripture is the Father depicted as being in submission or as ranking low in a hierarchy? To whom is the Father in submission? Please cite Scripture reference, if you can. God the Father, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the Creator of the universe, does not rank low in any hierarchy or scale. Where does it say otherwise in Scripture? Let me emphasize, I said I do not find any such Scripture. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that if it does exist, I am not aware of it. :-) The humility of God the Father is a subject and a doctrine that I am totally unfamiliar with. I write this with all respect and no ill will. I am merely giving the most honest answer I can give. I welcome your postings and replies to me. Grace to you, kalos |
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2 | Is the Father's heart humbe? | Heb 1:7 | roviear | 56949 | ||
Kalos, I stand corrected. The Trinity are all equal, yes, but They do not have the same qualities and Jesus and the Spirit always willingly defer to God the Father. I knew this, and have implied this in some of my posts, yet I was still confused. Thank you for clearing this point up. I noticed you did not respond to my point about God being love, though. What are your thoughts of my example? I always figured God and Jesus to be the same Being, not two separate Beings in and of Themselves. Further support of your point is Phil 2:5-8, which I used as a reference for another Forum member. In Christ, Estelle |
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3 | Is the Father's heart humbe? | Heb 1:7 | kalos | 56957 | ||
Estelle: Nothing I say here should be construed as argumentative. I am merely addressing the questions you asked me. You write:"If I follow your reasoning correctly, couldn't one also say that God isn't love since the passages quoted seemingly describe the exact opposite?" You also ask: "I noticed you did not respond to my point about God being love, though. What are your thoughts of my example? I always figured God and Jesus to be the same Being, not two separate Beings in and of Themselves." My answers: One cannot say that God isn't love. The reason: the Scriptures plainly say that God *is* love (1 John 4:8,16). Also consider this: When God is being wrathful toward sin, he is being just. The fact that God is just does not mean he isn't love. Is there a conflict between justice and love? We need to see love as God sees it and remember that love is more than mere warm, affectionate "feelings" toward someone. Also, God has other attributes besides love, attributes such as holiness and justice. Properly understood, all of God's attributes are in harmony with each other and with God's nature. I did not say the Son and the Father are two "beings". What I said is the Son and the Father are two "persons". I'm no theologian -- not by any means. I am just stating my understanding of what the Bible says on the subject and I am doing so as clearly as I can. Grace to you, kalos |
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