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1 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | xmikx | 135542 | ||
Kalos, you state that "the Bible contains no description of that event." But in Revelation 12: 7-9 it states '7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.(NIV) This states that Satan and his angels were hurled or fell to the earth where he reigns today. | ||||||
2 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | kalos | 135564 | ||
"And there was war in heaven" Revelation 12:7-8 '(1) And there was war in heaven, (2) Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon (Satan). The dragon (Satan) and his angels waged war, and (3) they were not strong enough, and (4) there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. '1. "And there was war in heaven" appears at first glance to be an intrusion into the narration of the woman and her Son’s miraculous rescue from the composite great red dragon. However, when the reader understands that Revelation 12:1-6 focuses on the composite dragon (empire) and Revelation 12:7 and following focuses on the singular dragon (Satan) the problem is solved. The resumption of the woman’s rescue in Revelation 12:13 also underscores this point. The text indicates a war started in heaven. A war usually consists of more than one battle. So here, for the war will begin in heaven with a decisive battle that will finish on earth at Armageddon. 'This war is a cleansing war. First heaven will be cleansed of Satan. Then the earth will be cleansed of all evil doers—Satan and followers. '2. "Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon (Satan)" defines the combatants of the battle in heaven. It is important that the reader understands that the Greek supports the conclusion that Michael initiates this battle. Once the Son is caught up to heaven all hope is lost that the composite dragon will devour the child. The battle is not the result of the great red dragon pursuing the child to heaven. 'The importance of Michael to the eschatological end times cannot be over-stated. His voice will be heard at the Rapture (1 Thess 4:16). His actions will initiate the final unparalleled persecution of Israel (Dan 12:1). He initiates the battle that ignites the final conflict prior to the coming of the Son to rule all the nations (Rev 12:7). There is every possibility that he is the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. The former three passages mentioned all deal with the beginning of the forty-two months; time, times and half a time; and, one thousand two hundred and sixty days, which mark the eschatological period just prior to the Lord’s return at Armageddon. '3. "They were not strong enough" pertains to Satan. That is, he and his angels were not strong enough to prevent Michael and his angels from carrying out their orders to cast Satan out of highest heavens. '4. "There was no longer a place found for them in heaven." That is, they no longer had a purpose in highest heaven. This suggests that a very important point in the history of mankind has indeed come about. Satan no longer has a purpose in the highest heaven.' ____________________ http://www.revelationcommentary.org/12_chapter.html By the way, Rev. 12:7-9 does not contain the phrase "where he reigns today", as you stated in the last sentence of your Note. |
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3 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | xmikx | 135572 | ||
I do not dispute anything you say in this last note. Everything that you state about the Bible is accurate. Also, everything you say here is what I said in my note. Satan and one third of innumerable number of all angels fell to earth just after the war with Michael and his angels. If you will carefully read the last part of my note, I was not quoting scripture. The end of my note is a paraphrase of what happened to Satan after he fell. He does rule and reign on earth today and will continue to have his way until Christ begins His 1000 year reign of heaven on earth. | ||||||
4 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | Morant61 | 135575 | ||
Greetings Xmikx! First of all, welcome to the forum! :-) Secondly, you stated: "He does rule and reign on earth today and will continue to have his way until Christ begins His 1000 year reign of heaven on earth." Where does Scripture say that Satan rules and reigns on earth? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | xmikx | 135585 | ||
Thanks Tim for the welcome. I really enjoy this website. This is Rev 12: 1-6 from NIV translation. 1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. 4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. This is my take on this. If Satan is going to be locked in the abyss for a thousand years while Jesus rules on earth, where is Satan ruling now? If Jesus is going to rule on earth during this 1000 year period mentioned in Revelation (which is in the future) who rules on earth now? Fellow heir, Mike Nash |
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6 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | Morant61 | 135589 | ||
Greetings Mike! This site can be a lot of fun! I understand what you are saying, but I am always one who encourages people not to say more than Scripture actually says. Scripture simply doesn't say that Satan reigns here on earth. John 14:30 does speak of a 'prince of this world', who many would say is Satan. However, John 12:31 seems to indicate that his 'rule' ended with the death and resurrection of Christ. Further, I am not sure that 'reign' or 'rule' would ever be appropriate terms for Satan's activities on earth simply because he does not possess the power to rule over God. :-) Thus, in your passage from Revelation, I would say that the binding is not a stopping of Satan's reign, but a stopping of his influence on this world - period! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Are angels sinful? | Heb 12:26 | xmikx | 135593 | ||
Tim, I can agree with everything you say. Maybe I am adding or reading too much into what is actually not there. I also agree that rule or reign is a poor choice of words on my part. God is only allowing him to influence us in this world. During the time mentioned in Revelation, God will not allow Satan to have any control during Christ's 1000 year reign. |
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