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1 | What day are we COMMANDED to gather? | Heb 10:25 | daughter of jerusalem | 220568 | ||
Dear Beja, Shouldn't you keep on reading? I don't have a problem using the entire passage - you need to get down to verse 22 to realize that what is being spoken about is NOT the commandments of God concerning these things, but what men have taught.... Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days – 2:17 these are only33 the shadow of the things to come, but the reality34 is Christ!35 2:18 Let no one who delights in humility and the worship of angels pass judgment on you. That person goes on at great lengths36 about what he has supposedly seen, but he is puffed up with empty notions by his fleshly mind.37 2:19 He has not held fast38 to the head from whom the whole body, supported39 and knit together through its ligaments and sinews, grows with a growth that is from God.40 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the elemental spirits 41 of the world, why do you submit to them as though you lived in the world? 2:21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!” 2:22 These are all destined to perish with use, founded as they are 42 on HUMAN COMMANDS and TEACHINGS. 43 2:23 Even though they have the appearance of wisdom 44 with their self-imposed worship and false humility 45 achieved by an 46 unsparing treatment of the body – a wisdom with no true value – they in reality result in fleshly indulgence. 47 (NetBible) (capitalization my own for emphasis) Colossians 2:16, 17 is IN NO WAY talking about the commands concerning "...food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath day..." that God the FATHER, Himself, gave to us. Thank you daughter of jerusalem |
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2 | What day are we COMMANDED to gather? | Heb 10:25 | Beja | 220593 | ||
Daughter, What translation are you using? I vastly prefer the NASB translation which accurately translates the greek conjunction (kata) into "in accordance with the commands and teachings of men." Meaning it is men teaching them to continue doing these things, not referring to whether or not they were found in the old testament scripture. Obviously I disagree with how you consider the context. Not only in the way I said above, but also some of the things he mentions are from the old testament, and some are not. Not marrying and harsh treatment of the body which follows the statement for example. What about circumcision in verses 12 and 13? He is clearly saying christ has ended any need for that. Even should you not agree here, the council in acts 15 makes it clear that there is no need for the gentile Christians to follow the ceremonial laws of moses, which include the festivals. Why? Because all these things pointed to Christ. I agree whole heartedly with John Calvin when he argues in the institutes that it was fit for these things to end with the comming of Christ lest we were unclear about to what they pointed. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | What day are we COMMANDED to gather? | Heb 10:25 | Beja | 220594 | ||
Daughter, Forgive one error in my last post. For some reason my mind leaped to 1 tim 4:3 while I was posting and the marriage statment I mentioned was from that. Doesn't affect the totality of the post but it was an error and needs to be admited. I'm not actually sure how to edit one of my posts or if you can. But since I'm posting again, I think even more relevent than what I said previously is the "Therefore" which begins col 2:16. The immediate context is verses 14 and 15(actually one sentence in the greek). "having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against uswhich was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross, when He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him." So the REASON that nobody can judge us with regards to a festival or sabbath (v16) is because Christ has but an end to the decrees which WERE PREVIOUSLY hostile to us, the old testament expectations in the law. Given this context, and given that verse 18 seems to move on from old testament things hostile to us, onto asceticism or things coming from visions, which in reality is the context for the human commands statement, it seems that context is clearly in favor of this being old testament festivals he refers to iin 16. In Christ, Beja |
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