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1 | will there be a judgement of the jews | 2 Tim 4:1 | "DOC2" | 178239 | ||
based on Mt25:32 | ||||||
2 | will there be a judgement of the jews | 2 Tim 4:1 | DocTrinsograce | 178241 | ||
Dear DOC2, Ah! Thank you for citing the reference for me. I can see where one might arrive at the conclusion as you've stated it. The word ethnos is translated as "Gentiles" in many passages and "nations" in many others. However, before you assume that it is always referring only to Gentiles as opposed to Jews, remember that this very word is used of the Jewish peoples (cf Luke 7:5 and John 11:48). More specifically, though, if we look at the verse you cited (Matthew 25:32) we see the word ethnos preceded by the word pas. This would be translated "all nations" or, "all of the nations." Indeed, Matthew 24:14 is the previous passage that uses this phrase. (Now, I'm certainly not much of a student of Greek. Our Brother Tim on the forum may be persuaded to comment if we ask him to do so. He's one of the few forum members that reads Koine Greek about as well as you and I read English!) "And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14 ESV) For comparison, we see the same phrase, pas ethnos, as follows: "Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, 'Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things." (Luke 24:45-48 ESV) A more sound exegesis, therefore, of Matthew 25:32 would be that Christ will judge everyone, Gentiles and Jews; i.e., everyone from all people groups (nations). Consequently, we would not see separate times of judgment of differing people groups. Instead, at our Savior's second coming, He will be coming to judge everyone. In Him, Doc PS I'd like to encourage you not to impute modern connotations to the word "nation" when you encounter it in Scripture. What you and I generally think of as "nations" reflect ideas that are relatively -- only a matter of a handful of centuries old. |
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3 | will there be a judgement of the jews | 2 Tim 4:1 | Morant61 | 178248 | ||
Greetings Doc! Well said my friend! In support of your comments, here is what Kittel's says about the word. ********************* B. eŒthnos in the NT. 1. eŒthnos, which probably comes from eŒthos, means “mass,” “multitude,” “host,” and may be used for a “herd” or “swarm” as well as a human group. Applied to humans, it means a “people” but is a weaker term than, e.g., laoŒs or gloµssa. Of some 160 NT instances, 40 are quotations from the OT. This does not affect the general usage but may give a special nuance in context. 2. In 64 passages eŒthnos has no specialized sense. The reference is to a people or peoples (including the Jewish people; cf. Acts 10:22; 1 Pet. 2:9, eŒthnos being used interchangeably with laoŒs in this regard). paŒnta eŒthneµ denotes all nations. 3. In some cases, however, one senses that Israel is not included among the nations. Thus in Rom. 15:11 (based on Ps. 117:1) the call to praise God hardly need go out to Israel. Again, Israel does not have to be included in the promise of Gal. 3:8. In other passages too, e.g., Mt. 4:15; Lk. 21:24; Acts 4:25; Rom. 1:5; Rev. 10:11, the reference seems to be to the non-Jewish nations, i.e., the Gentiles, though whether or not eŒthneµ is here a technical term for Gentiles may be debated. 4. In some 100 passages eŒthneµ is undoubtedly a technical term for the Gentiles as distinct from Jews or Christians. The distinction from Jews is plain in, e.g., Mt. 6:32; Lk. 12:30; Mt. 20:19; Acts 14:16; Eph. 2:12; 1 Cor. 1:23. Gentile Christians are still eŒthneµ in Rom. 11:13; Eph. 3:1. Yet a distinction from Christians may also be seen in view of the status of the church as the true Israel, e.g., in 1 Cor. 5:1; 12:2; 1 Th. 4:5; 1 Pet. 2:12; 3 Jn. 7. John does not have eŒthneµ for Gentiles, since obdurate Jews are themselves eŒthneµ. 5. The quotation of many OT passages shows how the OT influences this primarily ethico-religious distinction (cf. 1 Th. 4:5 and Jer. 10:25). In this regard, then, the NT differs from the Greeks, for while the latter often use eŒthnos disparagingly to describe non-Greek peoples (as distinct from HeŒlleµnes), this is on the basis of national or cultural differentiation, not theological. 6. The biblical view persists in the early fathers (cf. Mart. Pol. 9.2). ethnikoŒs. This occurs five times in the NT (Mt. 5:47; 6:7; 18:17; 3 Jn. 7; Gal. 2:14). “Gentile” is the obvious sense in Mt. 5:47; 6:7; 18:17. National distinction is not at issue but the inner mark of Gentiles. Adverbially “like Gentiles” in Gal. 2:14 again denotes the religious distinction, but in this instance Paul defends “living like Gentiles” to show that Jews are not justified as such, but both Jews and Gentiles are justified only by the one Lord who summons both to himself. ***************** Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | will there be a judgement of the jews | 2 Tim 4:1 | DocTrinsograce | 178251 | ||
You know, I've got to get one of those! :-) | ||||||
5 | will there be a judgement of the jews | 2 Tim 4:1 | Morant61 | 178262 | ||
Greetings Doc! Kittle's is every Greek students dream! :-) My father-in-law retired a few years ago and I was given his complete hard back set. Yeah! :-) Some Bible software programs have the short version of Kittle's included in the resources. You can buy a short Kittle's fairly inexepensively, but the full set is still quite pricey. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | will there be a judgement of the jews | 2 Tim 4:1 | DocTrinsograce | 178277 | ||
Hi, Brother Tim... My eyes being the way they are -- kind of like Jacob's first wife's eyes (Genesis 29:17) -- I'd look for an electronic version. Its nice when these things enter the public domain, and become available online. :-) In Him, Doc | ||||||