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1 | Solo Scriptura -- Radical Individualism | 2 Tim 3:6 | EdB | 243405 | ||
What makes for radical individualism more then Sola Scriptura and the teaching each man can decide for himself how to interpret that scripture? Men for years have justified all sorts of sin by convoluting scripture. Look at Calvin he justified.burning an enemy instead of loving him as scripture demands. Look at Luther he justified soul sleep, polygamy, and hatred of Jews by scripture. Look at many Reformed denominations that have justified abortion, homosexuality and alcohol usage by their interpretation of scripture. Notice also that the argument Reformation offers is that anyone that disagrees with them simply aren't, interpreting scripture correctly. Have been misled by a Spirit. Some Reformers went so far as to lobby for removal of Books of Scripture to be removed because they could not wordsmith around what those books said. Man can be deceived and that is exactly why God gave us both s rapture and the active leading of the Holy Spirit. If both aren't functioning in our lives then we are not living in truth but instead most probably the justification of man. |
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2 | Solo Scriptura -- Radical Individualism | 2 Tim 3:6 | DocTrinsograce | 243406 | ||
Dear Ed, Your reaction to my post is probably only rooted in your disdain for anyone reformed, reformed leaning, or reformed like. However, it occurred to me that you might have identified somehow with the the odd balls of whom Calvin was speaking. You know, Calvin has been dead for over 450 years: an easy target for your charges. I would rather contend with a dead guy, myself. Now the lunatics Calvin was speaking of are also long dead. Little trace of them remains in our day. They actually rejected the Scriptures entirely (which is not normally an orthodox pentecostal position, is it... at least, unless there are things you are not telling us). As Calvin said, they actually would laugh at those who would depend on the Word -- and believe me, laughing was the most innocuous thing that they did. Those fellows would dance around in their "sanctuaries" like maniacs. They would talk to one another as if they themselves could actually call forth the oracles of God Himself. Amazingly, instead of examining those things in the light of Scripture, they swallowed them hook line and sinker. Since they worshiped nothing that was anything but an idol, I have often thought that perhaps their behavior was a reflection of the "desolation of abomination" elevated in their midst. Some of them were so resistant to the Scriptures that they denied the value of reading or writing, condemning them as wicked and unbelieving at their very roots! Even though they could not have come into existence without the Reformation, they denied the rightness of the teaching of the Reformed as stalwartly as the Romanist. I guess they just couldn't bring themselves to own up to being in one camp or another. You could well imagine how these nut jobs were thought of by Romanist and Reformed alike. Why, these guys even thought they would be able to bring heaven to earth by the meer resistance to all religious beliefs with which they disagreed. They were militant right up to the last. Oh, the mess they caused! Under the Romanist church they were at least bound by specific constraints on their sinfulness. They didn't want to trade those restraints by Reformed theology. They even thought that everything in the Law was a hindrance, from which they were freed. Wow! Instead of following one Pope, they actually turned themselves -- each and everyone -- into his own Pope. They thought that all of this gave them the right -- nay the duty -- to ignore absolutely everything which had been taught before them. Society began to collapse into a disorder unimagined by any of us moderns. They disavowed marriage, truth speaking, protection of property, submission to authority, etc. etc. Now I don't know what goes on in orthodox Pentecostal churches, nor am I clear on what they teach. However, I'll go out on a limb and suggest to you that you never see any of the junk that was going on in the above paragraph. If you did, you would'd not be in this forum, in submitision to the terms of use as Lockman has provided. In anticipation of the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, I am reading as many biographies of Luther as I can lay my hands on. He laid into those nutters far more severely than the simple tongue lashing in question. Those guys were even more messed up than the Corinthians! So rest easy, Ed. Where there is none of the above stuff in your midst, where the Word is taught, perhaps Christ Himself is in attendance! I know full well that you believe in the Word -- at least insofar as it doesn't interfere with your more valued doctrines (cf Pauline doctrine in post #243400). Furthermore, you have nothing to fear from Calvin, Luther, or any of the Reformers. Nothing is threatening your embrasure of Johann Tetzel, Johann von Staupitz, Johann Maier Eck, Andreas Bodenstein Karlstadt, Desiderius Erasmus, Thomas de Vio Cajetan, Girolamo Aleandro, the Libertines, etc. Even relative contemporaries believe the way you do: Erich Fromm, H. Daniel Ropps, and the German and American liberal theologians. You might have to read a few books in lieu of quick excerpts from the Internet to see it. Sometime read a bit of Huss, Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, and Knox. The more factual information you have, the more bang you'll get out of your declamations. You'll need to read the complete works of Jacobus Arminius. It will take a bit of intellectual sweat, but I bet afterwards, you'd be able to write something that would really knock our socks off! I look forward to seeing someone harnessing Biblical, historical, and grammatical truth, to the edification of all. In Him, Doc PS Why are there so many morally aberrant Pentecostal teachers? It is as though your denomination carries more than its fair share of them, right back to 1906. We must pray those leader, that they might stand in integrity and righteousness. The more exposed through secular means, the more harmful it is for all Christendom. How shall we pray for that leadership? |
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3 | Solo Scriptura -- Radical Individualism | 2 Tim 3:6 | EdB | 243409 | ||
You may understand who it was that Calvin was talking about but many modern day Calvinist don't. Therefore they apply his hatred to anyone not of the Calvinist bent. They go out of their way to malign any that don't conform to their Reformed philosophy. Since you admit those that those mentioned in this quote and their teaching is long dead why bother to quote it? Unless you were not so innocently taking potshots at those that believe the Holy Spirit does have a ministry in today's world. |
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4 | Solo Scriptura -- Radical Individualism | 2 Tim 3:6 | EdB | 243410 | ||
Last paragraph should read: Since you admit these false teachers are long dead and their teaching has for the most part died with them, why bring it up? Unless you were not so innocently taking another potshot at those that believe the Holy Spirit does have an active ministry in today's world. |
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