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1 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | bowler | 206754 | ||
What in your estimation consititutes ingnorant and foolish speculations? Does this only apply to ideas that don't have any basis in scriptures, or is it more than that? blessings abound, bowler |
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2 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | Beja | 206767 | ||
1 Cor 4:6 says that you may learn not to exceed what is written. I feel like this verse is a little clearer on what this "foolish speculation" is. I understand it to be anything beyond what scripture reveals to us. This would include taking a topic further than scripture reveals to us. This is a problem for two main reasons that I can think of. 1. Leads to conflict within the church, because we don't have an answer and therefore we are extending ourselves onto guess work which people are going to disagree and argue about. 2. While many of us may enjoy trying to figure out such things, it is ultimately unprofitable for righteousness and knowing God, which is what our concern should be. Scripture has given us everything that we need for life and righteousness. Now, given all of this, I don't think it is always wrong for a couple of christians to discuss some brain twister. But two things should be kept in mind. It is for fun, and shouldn't be returned to the shelf in full awareness of its usefulness even IF we were to figure it out, and secondly that we should never bring it up in front of questions that don't have the level of maturity to handle it at such. I think anything beyond this is going into what Paul has warned us about. |
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3 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | bowler | 206784 | ||
beja Thank you for your response. Am I to understand that where Paul was speaking of of not passing judgment on him in terms of regarding Apollos above Paul and then Paul says, "I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one will become arrogant in behalf of one against another", that you are taking an alternate application? Not a misinterpretation, I don't mean that at all, but from the original interpretation, a secondary application? Exceed what was written then as what was written about everything in scripture, and not as what was written about not judging Paul or Apollos? I can see you mean the former and not the latter. I like brain twisters but not everyone finds profit in that because they can't find an application in real life for the answers. There is no such thing as a scripture that does not have a current application that can be derived at from a literal interpretation. Which is why I like the brain teasers, to try to find out what that is going to be, all scripture is profitable, you just have to understand how for each one. Scripture has a lot of parts to what it takes to undertand it. Some things in scripture have that they are specific things God has done that have parts as to how it works according to what God has outlined. And some scriptures have different things that God has incorporated into what He has done that each break down into the rules He laid out for each part of each of the major things that went into His one decision. The actual scripture proscribing some particular thing to do about something God has insitituted does not always contain every single aspect of every single thing that God has outlined in scriptures as the parts of how the thing He is doing works, but the elements are in scripture in various other places directly outlined as having exactly to do with the single thing and how God operates its parts. I agree with you whole heartedly that going beyond what scripture actually says about something is going beyond "what is written". But, I think it is important to see what the whole canon of scriptures is saying about how all the parts of the major "thing" that are outlined in scripture work together to form how the "thing" actually works according to scripture. blessings abound, bowler |
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4 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | Beja | 206840 | ||
With regards to getting a wholistic view of scriptures take on a topic I'm in whole hearted agreement with you. This would be rather clear if we were dealing with any concrete examples. As was I was simply defining in the abstract what foolish speculation was since you had asked. Part of the wisdom of identifying such is knowing when you have indeed hit an end of what scripture has shown and when more study is required to understand what scripture has in fact revealed. With regards to the passage in 1 cor. I believe this to be the primary thing he is speaking of when he talks about "exceeding what is written." I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion on it but I'll try to in but a very few sentences at least give a hint of why I think so. I believe that the first 4 chapters of 1 Cor are all one long disertation on the factions that are going on in Corinth. Chapter one is the where the discussion over the "apollo" and "paul" factions begins. Paul's reasoning follows roughly this train of thought. You are boasting in men therefore you are arrogant and mistakenly think the wisdom of men are worthy of esteem. However, at the cross Christ made foolishness the wisdom of man and therefore men and their wisdom are worth nothing and therefore exalting them is foolishness and therefore your factions split among these mere men "appolos and paul" is stupidty. So in our passage in chapter four this has been his train of thought so we must understand as he is talking about these factions between these groups he has viewed a false worldly wisdom as the root of it all. Therefore the understanding I sugested regarding "exceeding what is written" makes perfect sense as the primary point he is trying to make. I'd rather not debate this as if you disagree we would be trying to hash out how to understand 4 full chapters of context which I'm not interested in doing over this medium. But I felt I did owe you at least a brief explination of my take on the passage. God bless, Beja |
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5 | Speculation? | 2 Tim 2:23 | bowler | 206842 | ||
Beja Thank you for a gracefull reply. I would not be interested in a debate as if we disagree either. You owe me nothing, but I sincerely thank you. I do see what you mean by your taking the text back a pace, I do see how it fits what you meant, I really do. I appreciate the time you took to get back to me. Thank you again. blessings abound, bowler |
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