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1 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | DocTrinsograce | 191966 | ||
"St. Paul repeateth the exhortation: that we must shun all unprofitable babbling, and stay ourselves upon plain teaching, which is forcible. He not only condemneth manifest errors, superstition, and lies, but he condemneth the disguising of the Word of God: as when men invent subtleties, to cloy men's ears; bringing no true nourishment to the soul, nor edification in faith, and the fear of God, to the hearers. "When St. Paul speaketh of vain babbling, he meaneth that which contenteth curious men; as we see many that take great pleasure in vain questions, wherewith they seem to be ravished. They do not openly speak against the truth, but they despise it as a thing too common and base; as a thing for children and fools; as for them, they will know some higher and more profound matter. Thus they are at variance with that which would be profitable for them. Therefore, let us weigh well the words of St. Paul: vain babbling; as though he said, if there be nothing but fine rhetoric and exquisite words to gain him credit that speaketh, and to show that he is well learned, none of this should be received into the church; all must be banished." --John Calvin |
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2 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | Parable | 191976 | ||
"Everyone must acknowledge, therefore, that Christian tradition had precedence, chronologically and even logically, over Christian Scripture; for there was a tradition of the church before there was ever a New Testament, or any individual book of the New Testament. By the time the materials of the oral tradition found their way into written form, they had passed through the life and experience of the church..." -- Jaroslav Pelikan, from Jesus Through the Centuries: His Place in the History of Culture, p. 10 Respectfully, do you agree or disagree? Parable |
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3 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | srbaegon | 191978 | ||
Hello Parable, Pelikan cannot make a blanket statement that all things in the NT were found in tradition before written. That is nonsense and unprovable. Steve |
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4 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | Parable | 191982 | ||
I agree that such an extension would be absurd. Pelikan said tradition preceded what was written, not that all things written were derived from tradition. |
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5 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | srbaegon | 191983 | ||
Hello Parable, My statement stands--Pelikan cannot say that with any certainty. It is conjecture. Steve |
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6 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | Parable | 191986 | ||
Consider the book of Acts. The events therein happened before the book was written, correct? To argue otherwise is to suggest Acts is fiction, not history. Acts itself records traditions that were established at the time of the very first christian community, before the book was written, no? Is that logically necessary or merely speculation? |
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7 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | srbaegon | 191991 | ||
Hello Parable, Of course Acts was written after it happened (even a matter of days after perhaps), and the same could be said for the gospels. Pelikan's statement leads one to believe that the entirety of the NT was written after all doctrinal tradition was laid down by the church. That is absurd. Steve |
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8 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | Parable | 191997 | ||
As I said, that would be absurd. Hence, I conclude it must not be what Pelikan intended, for he is a historian of good repute, as well as a seminarian with advanced degrees, as reported here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaroslav_Pelikan As is commonly understood in the field of hermaneutics or literary criticism, one's reading of an author reflects more about you than the author. On a happy note, I offer this quote of Pelikan's "If Christ is risen, nothing else matters. And if Christ is not risen -- nothing else matters." For those who want scriptural support for this quote, see 1 Corinthians 15:14 "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." |
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9 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | srbaegon | 192014 | ||
Hello Parable, I have read two of Pelikan's historical works and enjoyed both. I simply disagree with his statement. Steve |
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10 | Vain Babbling | 2 Tim 2:16 | Parable | 192026 | ||
That was the question. I thank you for your kind reply. | ||||||