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1 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 229601 | ||
IsmailaGodHasHeard: I have a somewhat different understanding on women in the church. I highly respect those who have already responded, and respectfully will not debate this subject. However, I will give you something to think about. As others have said this subject has been dialogued a lot, to the point where it caused intense feelings brought to the surface, which was quite enough. Look up Galations 5:6 this is a good verse to start with. There were a number of culture issues when Paul wrote 1 Timothy 2:2, and said "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet." Women were uneducated, and considered by some as chattel, or some more kinder husbands could see his wife as a precious possession. Agarian culture required for the husband to be protector and provider of their daily sustsistence. What education that was needed the husband had. Women had basic learning they were handed down. If Paul were alive today he would have a very different picture of women. Today women have extensive responsibalities and education, and are very knowledgeable of Scripture. The real question is the culture of Pauls era and instruction given then. Are these directives germane today? Some will say no, and that is final. Some like myself, would say, scrutinise and thoroughly investigate, examine each and every instance that the culture of the time of Paul writtings might be limited to that epoc. I say this with extreme caution, in concern that someone might think that everytime we see some verse that mentions women, the verses needs be evaluated by the culture in which Scripture was written, which is not the case. Blessings. justme |
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2 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Beja | 229602 | ||
"Some like myself, would say, scrutinise and thoroughly investigate, examine each and every instance that the culture of the time of Paul writtings might be limited to that epoc." Of course, before you do that investigation, you must first ignore that Paul clearly says exactly why he forbids it in the very same passage, where he reveals that it has nothing to do with current cultural phenomenon but rather he forbid it based on creation and the fall. 1Ti 2:12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 1Ti 2:13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 1Ti 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. In Christ, Beja |
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3 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 229607 | ||
Beja(:-( This forum has debated this subject many times over. The core tenets of the faith are solid, and we need to be ready to defend these. You and me, as mature Christians, can agree to disagree on this subject. With respect and brotherly love in Christ, as I stated I won't debate this subject. Blessings brother Beja. justme |
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4 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Beja | 229608 | ||
justme, I agree that it has been debated more than enough. I also have no desire to debate the issue. However, when a person 1.) discuses 1 Tim 2:12 while intentionally leaving of verses 13 and 14 which explicitely give the foundation of it, and 2.) goes on to discuss other possible foundations for Paul's command, which coincidentally lay the foundation for ignoring the command, 3.) and all to what appears to be a younger and perhaps unaware questioner who would not know that something crucial is being carefully left off... That I suppose will always prompt a response from myself. I have no thoughts of changing your mind. But I can't bring myself to remain silent in the face of that knowing that the continuation of Paul's thought is being edited out in order to make a speculation of what Paul would "think about women today." I would have to be removed from the forum first. I agree and am satisfied for you and I to disagree. However, you have made your decision in light of verses 14 and 15. I ask that you grant inquirers the same courtesy as to let them make up their mind in light of that crucial bit of scripture. That being said, I hope for a peaceful forum. But as in the church, peace bought at any price is wrong. But, having alerted the young lady to the remainder of Paul's statement, I am happy to drop the subject. In Christ, Beja |
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5 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 229609 | ||
Beja (:-( We disagree. So why do you keep this going? We show others our Love for Jesus by the way we treat one another. Please, I would rather get on to more serious issues. Be assured I have no hard feelings, I just happen to see it differently. Blessings. justme |
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6 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | Beja | 229615 | ||
Justme, you asked, "We disagree. So why do you keep this going?" I only responded again in order to make clear that my objection with your post was not concerning a disagreement over the role of women (though I do disagree). For me to prolong a debate over such an issue is, I think, against the spirit of, and possibly even the letter of, the TOU. My objection and reason for posting was over your mishandling scripture. That is infact exactly the purpose of the forum. To discuss rightly exegeting passages. My objection to you is not: Women must not teach in churches. My objection to you is: When a statment is followed by a "For" plus a grounds of explination, we do not divorce the two when we teach or exegete the passage. On that issue, I hope we can find agreement. In Christ, Beja |
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7 | Why can't women lead a church? | 1 Tim 2:12 | justme | 229619 | ||
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