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1 | Urgent and swift help needed!! | Eph 6:12 | Lambo | 5816 | ||
I am brand new to this site. I am in urgent need of advice from fellow believers. I am a member of a church in WV. My husband is a deacon. We have a man in the church who is more highly recognized and sought out than our Pastor. He was a "founder" of the church from many years back. My problem is with him. He has some very strange doctrine. I will mention a few. 1. Paul had the same experience as the apostles at pentacost ( I don't doubt this part), but in the same upper room and 40 years AFTER his conversion on the road to Damascus! 2. Lazarus was not really dead when Christ called him out of the tomb. 3. Satan, the devil, and Lucifer are not the same being. 4. Satan has been transformed into an angel of light and is now a good angel. 5. The devil is locked away in hell and does not go to and fro through the earth seeking whom he may devour. He claims he just paces back and forth in the pit. This is just of a few of the outrages he teaches. He preaches ocassionally in the church, but he is on our radio ministry every Sat. evening. He is not overt about this in these two situations. He is more subtle. He takes young believers aside and goes into their homes and subverts them. My husband and I have talked to the pastor about this and he seems unwilling to force this man to stop. He periodically preaches the truth about these things esp. the devil part, but does not contrast the truth to the lie. (gives the doctrine of the lie and shows how it is false). He says he has told this "elder" that he does not agree with this doctrine. But the man is in rebellion and will not stop teaching it to others. The last conversation I had with my pastor I told him he need to be more careful because he is responsible for the "sheep" and is responsible for what we are fed from his pulpit and from his church. He told me that he was no more responsible than anyone else. This brings me to my question. If he is telling us, my husband and me, that we are also responsible then I cannot let this go on. I feel one of us has to confront this and present the truth. We have to tell this man to stop subverting the others or we will take him before the church. Am I correct on this process? I have spoken with other ministers and the youth pastor and the church is so divided and torn. All with any maturity know this is a lie but the young christians are saying they are so confused and don't know what to believe. Any help from anyone even if you need to correct me I need to know. I plan to act swiftly. I am ready to leave this church if this doesn't change and I don't want to do that if I can avoid it. Thank you and God Bless you all. Theresa |
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2 | Urgent and swift help needed!! | Eph 6:12 | EdB | 5839 | ||
Theresa please let us know the outcome. Make sure you know God's will for you in this. God places each of us in a church for a reason, if you have accomplished that reason and God has given you release then go. Your reason for being there may be for such a time as this. It may be to stand arm and arm with your pastor, or to hold him before the Lord in prayer. It may be that your the light that shines forth in the darkness. I pray God will give you direction. |
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3 | Urgent and swift help needed!! | Eph 6:12 | Lambo | 19784 | ||
First let me tell you how much I appreciate you response. I am not sure if this is the way to let you know what happened in the situation above. I apologise for not getting back to you sooner. Anyway here is how it ended up. For the last appx 2 years my husband and I have become more and more concerned about this man's teaching. We at first excused it as confusion because of his age. He just forgot that kind of thing. Then we understood he was a serious threat to the young saints but were not sure how to react. We thought voicing our concerns to the Pastor was enough. He always assured us he was working on it. Anyway on the night of 5/19 before church my husband and I told the pastor if he considered us as responsible for what was being taught to the "sheep" as he was that we were certainly going to act. We told him we wanted to know if he had admonished this man and if so how many times. He said he had spoken with him several times but he was not clear to us if he actually had admonished him to stop this teaching. So we ask him to admonish him and tell him exactly that. Or if he wanted we would. We told him if this man continued in his heresy after being admonished two times we wanted him rejected from the church. (all according to Titus 3:10). The pastor agreed, that is until after church. He ask us to go to dinner with him after church and he said he had changed his mind. He said he had a plan. He was going to preach a sermon "so hot he may have to leave". He believed this would be the answer. He promised to be bold and plain in his preaching. We agreed to abide by his decision. He also agreed in that conversation that if the sermon didn't change things we could act as we had previously discussed. A week or so later the pastor preached. He did a good job but stopped short of declaring that the truth he was preaching was what his sheep would hear and to forbid anyone to teach anything else. Because he did not do that we had doubts in our heart but my husband and I both kept quiet. At the deacons and church leaders meeting in June we were shocked when the pastor made a motion to make this man the Superintendent of the Sunday School. My husband and I could not be silent then. We ask the pastor "Aren't you concerned about your differences in doctrine?" To this he responded that this man was a great asset to the church. He had put more money and time in than anyone else. He was not concerned that they couldn't get along with their differences. To this my husband and I just said we had to vote against this. There was no vote taken that morning. It was suggested by this man that everyone wait and pray about it and vote another time. We didn't go back for a few services and when we did it was to give our letters of resignation, deacon's papers, and keys to the church. We realized that a croud was more important to the Pastor that spritual growth. We now attend a much larger church. We are basically recovering and getting strength. I still feel such sorrow and grief when I know they are meeting for service. But we have not had a moment of doubt that we did the correct thing. Anyway I know this was lengthy and late in coming. Forgive me, your sister in Christ, Theresa |
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4 | Urgent and swift help needed!! | Eph 6:12 | Searcher56 | 19787 | ||
Theresa, I went back and read your original post and some of the responses. First, whenever someone says something that you think is not Bibilical, be like the Bereans and check them out (Acts 7:11) ... then even verified what Paul said. Then, if you think they are wrong, speak up. Have them show you where in the Bible they get their support. You may also know of Scripture that proves them wrong. If they refuse to listen take it to the governing board of the church ... and I think you did this. If they don't want to act or if they person doesn't want to leave, open the Bible to Galatians 1:6-10. Go back to verse 9 and say anathama and leave. I have gone this far only twice, to their shock and one is no longer in the ministry. I don't know what happened to the other. Searcher |
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