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1 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | tuli | 35884 | ||
EPHESIANS 4:8 What does MEN in this verse mean? Because, then we can know whether women can be Pastors v.11. Then we can ask what a Pastor is and then look at what Paul was talking about to Timothy. EPH. 4:12-13 God bless. |
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2 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | John Reformed | 35981 | ||
Dear Tuli, Eph 4:8 Therefore it says, "WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN." "Man" is used in the Bible (unless it is referring to a particular person), means "mankind", men and women alike. Given the context the natural meaning of "men" means not "Mankind" in general but that portion of man kind that was the recipients of the grace spoken of in v.7. If you agree with my interpretation, we can proceed in searching the Scripture to find out if God has given women leadership roles in His Church. God Bless Tuli (Is your name an acronym?), John Adams |
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3 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | tuli | 36143 | ||
I believe the gifts were not gender specific. The word in the Greek leads me to that conclusion. But of course I would love to discuss this with you and come to one understanding. Praise the Lord. Tuli is not an acronym. |
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4 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | John Reformed | 36167 | ||
Dear Tuli, God has given the man headship over the woman. 1 Cor 11:3 "But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ." Being that the woman is in subjection to the man, her role of pastor would turn the scripture upside down. The idea of women assuming leadership roles in the church is unscriptual to say the least. It arises from our corrupt culture. Where in the New Testament can one find an example of a woman leading a church? Woman was given to man to come alonside him to help him fulfill God's plan. Apart from one another they were incomplete. Together they became one flesh. Each one equal before God, but with different gifts and responsibilities. Your thoughts? Your Brother, John |
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5 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | tuli | 36525 | ||
Brother John, I do not in any way agree with women in ladership roles in the Church! It is unscriptural. However, can women be pastors and teachers according to scripture? What do the two words mean anyway? |
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6 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | John Reformed | 36615 | ||
Dear Tuli, The definitions I found are from a lexicon I found on www.bible.crosswalk.com. Definition (Pastor) 1.a herdsman, esp. a shepherd a.in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow 2.metaph. a.the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church 1.of the overseers of the Christian assemblies 2.of kings and princes The tasks of a Near Eastern shepherd were: - to watch for enemies trying to attack the sheep - to defend the sheep from attackers - to heal the wounded and sick sheep - to find and save lost or trapped sheep - to love them, sharing their lives and so earning their trust. Definition 1.a teacher 2.in the NT one who teaches concerning the things of God, and the duties of man a.one who is fitted to teach, or thinks himself so b.the teachers of the Jewish religion c.of those who by their great power as teachers draw crowds around them i.e. John the Baptist, Jesus d.by preeminence used of Jesus by himself, as one who showed men the way of salvation e.of the apostles, and of Paul f.of those who in the religious assemblies of the Christians, undertook the work of teaching, with the special assistance of the Holy Spirit g.of false teachers among Christians Tuli, I believe that both pastors and teachers are roles that carry with them the mantle of authority. The Bible does not restrict women from having authority. It only tells us that a woman may not exercise authority over her husband or over any of the men in the Church. I do believe that woman may teach other women and children, she may advise men as a sister etc. Thank God for the women of the Church!!! I shudder to think of how difficult it would be to conduct the Lord's work without them. I suggest you reread 1 Cor Chapter 12 to get a fuller sense of the principle of role. You Brother in Christ, John |
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7 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | tuli | 36642 | ||
Can you then explain to me please the application to our dear sisters of: Eph 4:12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; Eph 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. If they are a part of this great ministry. And by the way what do you think of Anna in Luke 2:36?Deborah, Miriam, Huldah, Noadiah were prophetesses. Help me understand that. |
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8 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | John Reformed | 36683 | ||
Dear Tuli, I am a student of the Bible as you are also. So any opinion I offer is subject to error. I mention this because this particlar subject is one into which I have not looked very closely. But I will be glad to search for the answer alongside of you. I don't know how to answer your question about Eph: 4:8 or Eph 4:12,13. I cant' see anything in these verses that are related to whether or not women are given leadership roles or not. The rule of interpretation of scripture is that when you have a passage that is not completely clear on the topic, you then go to other places in scripture that are clear. To remain stalled on 1,2 or 3 verses in one chapter of one book will not get us very far. Especialy when the topic is clearly discussed elsewhere. Regarding the role of prophet, I do not see the role of prophet as necessarily a leadership role. What was Anna's role as a prophetess? I think it was as the role of witness. God had her witness concerning the Christchild concerning His ministry. Read Lu 2:25-35. Simeon prophecied and then Anna bore witness to Simeon with her message about Christ. In neither case was the role of leadership demonstrated. Concerning Deborah she was a judge as well as a prophet. Can it be that this lone example could overturn all the scripture regarding man's exclusive role as leaders. I doubt it. God Bless Tuli Brother John |
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9 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | tuli | 36737 | ||
Brother John, Thanks for that post. On the subject of leadership, clearly women are not in such positions in the administration of God. However, is a pastor a leader? There are the elders and bishops, which are not mentioned in Ephesians and 1 Corinthians 12. I hope you see where I am coming from. Certain terms I guess are misused! The grace and peace of God abound to you. |
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10 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | John Reformed | 36762 | ||
Dear Tuli, Pastors and elders are indeed leaders. They have been given authority by God to lead the flock. Ask your pastor if he thinks he occupies a leadership role. Ask your Elders the same question. Please let me know how they answered. God Bless Tuli. Your Brother in Christ, John |
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11 | What does men in Eph. 4:8 mean? | Eph 4:8 | tuli | 36872 | ||
John, I do not go by what people think, but by what the scriptures say. You see brother, according to my study of the scriptures, elders and bishops are the leaders in God's house, answerable for the flock. Look at Acts 20. To whom does Paul commit the flock? Remember, we are studying together to get the to the perfect faith. God Bless. |
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