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1 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Mary01 | 120875 | ||
Hi Sir Pant, I appreciate your interest in me. I feel that I am a logical individual when it comes to analyzing controversial issues and endeavor to go out of my way to not be swayed by illogical conclusions. Please don’t get defensive though, as I dislike offending anyone either. I’m just trying to study all the pertinent issues and draw my own conclusions. I will though respond to your inquiry. You wrote the following: Support for my Trinity beliefs........................................ The Father is God. Eph 4:6 "one God and Father of all..." One of the Father's primary purposes is to determine the will of the whole Trinity. Luke 22:42 "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me (Jesus); yet not My will, but Yours be done." The Son is God. John 1:1 "...the Word (Jesus) was God", John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are one." One of the Son's primary purposes is to reconcile humanity to God. 2 Cor 5:18 "Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation". The Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 clearly equates lying to the Holy Spirit in verse 3 with lying to God in verse 4. There is further support in 1 Cor 2:10-11. One of the Spirit's primary purposes is to guide our daily lives. John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My (Jesus) name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." 1) The Father is God, seems to me logical and non contradictory to other Bible passages. 2) Luke 22:42 saying that the Father’s primary purpose being to determine the will of the whole Trinity? I don’t understand what you are saying here. To me, Jesus is merely distressed over the reproach that the accusations of his opposes are bringing upon him be removed and his desiring to fulfill his Father’s will. 3) John 1:1 tells me that Jesus is God’s Word and the way the Greek was written that he was like God, a mighty spirit being. Then when it goes on and says that the Word is “with” God then tells me that logically he can’t be same God. And John 10:30 shows me that the two are one in unity, of the same mind on everything. 4) 2 Cor 5:18 tells me the same things it does to you. 5) Acts 5:3-4 I again agree with you that to me lying to God is the same as lying to the Holy Spirit but that doesn’t mean to me that that means the Holy Spirit is God otherwise Luke 12:10 wouldn‘t be logical, “And everyone that says a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but he that blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven it.” This verse tells me sinning against the Holy Sprit is unforgivable yet sinning against Jesus or the Father isn’t. 1 Cor 2:10-11 says the “spirit is “from God”, not “is” God. 6) The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to guide us to God, yes, I agree with you. I don’t see why you are seeing that that though makes the Holy Spirit out to be God himself. I see the definite unity of the three for sure. Sir Pent, as I’ve said, I’m learning and don’t pretend to know much. Yet, my favorite passages are John 17:3 and John 3:16 and I believe that if I keep an open mind and pray for God’s Holy Spirit through Jesus and work along its direction, that the truth will come my way. Thank you again for your interest in me. I feel my reasoning on the scriptures are different than yours but I feel it agrees with the Word of God and that’s all I’m interested in. I still am open to logical reasoning from both Trinitarians and those that aren’t. Mary01 |
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2 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Sir Pent | 120968 | ||
Personal Note......................................................... Hi Mary01, Thanks for your response and do not be concerned with offending me. I always enjoy having a good logical exploration of a subject with someone. If I understand correctly, you agree that the Father is God, but you disagree that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God. Let's examine Jesus first. You said that you interpret John 1:1 differently and in such a way that it does not say that "the Word (Jesus) was God", as it clearly appears to. Your explanation of this was based on the original greek, which Tim Moran (who is much more an expert in that area than I) has already responded. However, let me also respond by saying that God would not allow His message to all mankind to be so corrupted that He would allow that significant an error in translation. For more information on my thoughts along these lines type the number 15780 into the "Quick Search" box at the top right corner of the screen. You also said that you interpret differently Jesus statement in John 10:30 that "I (Jesus) and the Father are one". You see this as just saying they are united in mind (ie they think alike). However if you want to look at the Greek, there is a word used throughout the New Testament that means being united in one mind. It is "homothumadon", and is used 11 times. If this is what Jesus meant, then logically He would have used that word, but He didn't. And if you are like me and are convinced that God protects the accuracy of His message to mankind, then you would also be convinced that God would not allow an error in translation like this that would lead people to believe that Jesus was God. I hope that you will chew on some of this for a while, and I look forward to hearing your response. |
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3 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Mary01 | 120993 | ||
Hello Sir Pent, Wow, you are right this is a lot to ponder. I'll have to re-read Tim's note several times to figure out what or better yet why he would said what he did. I understood your reply but Tim's seems illogical to me. I'll try and add a thought to this in the near future. Mary01 |
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