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1 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 36636 | ||
Greetings Love Fountain! I'm sorry for the confusion, I didn't mean to suggest that we were "arguing!" I enjoy the dialog on the forum and the opportunity to consider the wonderful things of God. I have indeed been thinking about what really happened in the Garden at the time of the original sin. In Gen 2:17 "for when you eat of it (the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil) you will surely die." What kind of death was this? Although I believe that spiritual death, separation from God, took place immediately, I also believe that there was a physical implication. Adam and Eve were created as immortal beings and we know they ate from the Tree of Life. Yet after they ate from the Tree of the knowledge God said, "he must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the Tree of Life and eat, and live forever." (Gen 3:22) So I'm just wondering if the fruit from the Tree of life provided the component necessary for immortality to created man. Scientists know that certain enzymes are necessary for cellular reproduction, but there is nothing to stop the process of aging cells - yet could an unknown substance eliminate cell death? Please note: the following is CONJECTURE and personal SPECULATION! When man ate from the Tree of Knowledge, the result was to bring about an end to eternal cellular growth as the components of this "fruit" destroyed the created order of perfection in man's physical body, causing a mutation at the genetic level that would be passed to all offspring. We know that some individuals are born without specific enzymes that are necessary to sustain life. Armed with this knowledge, we can provide for these missing molecular agents in a supplemental fashion. So, it is also conceivable that eating from the Tree of Life would somehow restore this process of eternal cellular replication. However, this verse also suggests that eating from this Tree would not remove the mutation (which we call sin)that had already occurred. As scientific discovery advances and we unlock the secrets of the gene and DNA, I believe man will uncover more Truth of God than he ever imagined! God's Word gives us a hint in Lev. 17:11 "the life is in the blood." The blood is the mechanism of delivery of essential nutrients to all cells. Since the blood of Christ is the means by which we are cleansed from sin and made righteous in God's sight, it seems to me that God will indeed "make it known" in His way and in His timing perhaps even more Truths contained in this verse! So back to your question. I believe physical death occurs when life sustaining (regenerative ability) cellular activity ceases. Based on the same definition, we are all born spiritually dead for we have no ability to re-generate something that died in the Garden. PLEASE, let's not get into the arena of "brain death" OK? In each individual circumstance, I believe that GOd will give His wisdom to those who ask for His direction and guidance. Truly, I cannot postulate how I would respond . . . I really try to avoid the sea of "what if!" Blessings! Mommapbs |
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2 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Love Fountain | 37982 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, Sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I believe it is truly a gift that you and I are able and allowed to think our own thoughts and make our own choices, I think this to be called freewill. Freewill is an incredible gift. We can choose to believe and follow that which is good or that which is not good. That which is good can be followed by reading the Bible, which I believe God has written to all His children on a personal basis. There are many parts to the body of Christ, it is like a puzzle. Christ is the border of the puzzle. He is the foundation, the side walls and the ceiling and we fill the body or middle. Christ is the most important border pieces which hold the whole puzzle together and all pieces must fit within the borders He has laid before us, which is His word. You are courageous to open the thoughts of your heart before the forum as you have done in this post and I find interest in your thoughts and thank you for sharing, but I must go to the word for all clarity and to test what it is you are stating. I have always been fascinated by trees in the Bible, whether it be the Tree of Life or the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. One conclusion that I have come to is that no tree can live without water. Water is the source of all life, throughout the whole universe and this little planet we now live on. Our never ending search in space travel is for water among other resources. You said life is within the blood, but without water would there be any blood? Jesus says all who come to me, I will give of the fountains of living water(John 4). In Jer 2:13, God says my people have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters. Without out water there is no existence of life, whether it be physical or spiritual. The Bible does say we are cleansed by the blood of Christ and the Bible says we are cleansed through the Word which I have spoken(John 15:3). James 1:21 say the engrafted Word is able to save our souls. Psalms 107:20 says His Word healed them. 2Tim 3:15 says the Scriptures are able to make thee wise onto salvation. 1Tim 4:5 says we are sanctified by the Word of God and prayer. John 8:32 says the Truth shall make you free. Psalm 119:50 Thy Word hath quickened me. 1Cor 4:15 says Begotten...through the Gospel and 1Pet 1:23 says we are born...by the Word of God. Everywhere we are led in the Bible, always begins and ends with the Word. Christ and the Scriptures are one and this is confirmed in Rev 19:13,"His name is called the Word of God and in John 1:1. Science has provided many insights into God and His creation. We have been allowed by God to learn many marvellous things about our chemical make up. The only caution that comes to my mind when I approach science and the focus of many in the scientific community is that they are always working towards the preservation of our corruptible and sick flesh bodies. Scripture is clear that we have two bodies, one is terrestrial(flesh) and one is celestial(spiritual) 1Cor 15:35-49. The promises of eternal life are not in the corruptible flesh body but rather in the incorruptible spiritual body, yet humans are constantly searching to preserve the flesh. As the preacher said vanity of vanity all is vanity, and I agree. When I think of the word "cell", after reading the Scriptures, I think of this mortal, corruptible, dying flesh body as a type of prison cell. A spiritual prison cell. Someone once told me Einstein was one of, if not the most intelligent men to ever live and yet he used only ten percent of his brain capacity, by someones calculation. I ask why didn't he use the other ninety percent? Many people have given me many answers to this question and I am sure I will receive many more. Ultimately I believe the true answer will come when I put on the incorruptible spiritual body we have been promised throughout Scripture. The original question I asked you was what do you think physical death is because we were talking about Enoch and Elijah and whether they had experienced physical death. The first thought I had is that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God,(1Cor 15:50). My thoughts are that physical death is the putting off of the flesh body. Thank you for listening. Bless you, Love Fountain 1 Cor 15:53-58 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? |
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3 | Physical death in the flesh? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 37986 | ||
Greetings Lovefountain: Continuing our dialogue . . . "My thoughts are that physical death is the putting off of the flesh body." Are you suggesting that this can be accomplished while we are still "in the flesh?" Blessings on your day! Mommapbs |
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4 | Physical death in the flesh? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Love Fountain | 38008 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, Thanks for the question. You ask,"Are you suggesting that this can be accomplished while we are still "in the flesh?" When I stated putting off the flesh, I meant this in a physical sense, not spiritual. I believe we have a soul, which is our intellect and our soul dwells within a flesh body here and now on earth. When our flesh body takes its last breath, physical death, I believe our soul leaves the flesh body(terrestrial) and enters into our spiritual(celestial) body. 2 Cor 5:1 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. KJV and, 1 Cor 15:35-46 35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. KJV I hope this answers your question. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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5 | Physical death in the flesh? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 38016 | ||
Love Fountain! Absent from the body and present with the Lord. What an exciting day to anticipate! Blessings to you again, Mommapbs |
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6 | Physical death in the flesh? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Love Fountain | 38018 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, Thank you for the conversation! I look forward to the day also to be with our Father rejoicing in Love for Him and each other. I also know that we are to be also longsuffering and patient to His return and always remember that whatever challenge we come up against, if there is not love, then it is not the true Savior. Bless you in your search for truth and stand in His love! Love Fountain |
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