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1 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | kudzai | 36264 | ||
What is the state of the dead? Are the dead in christ in heaven or in the grave. If they are in heaven already, how can one explain I Thessalonians 4 v 13 to18, John 5:25 and 28 1 Corithians 15 v 12 to 51 and John 3 v 13. | ||||||
2 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 36265 | ||
Greetings in Jesus' Name! Paul reminds us that when we are absent from the body we are present with the Lord. Where Jesus is, we will be also. According to 1 Cor 15:50-55, the "new bodies" believers receive are given at the coming of Christ to gather His own unto Himself. The perishable are the dead in Christ and the mortal are those who are still alive at His coming. Both receive heavenly bodies, for flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 15:50). The Lord even goes so far to comfort us in the order these bodies are give, first to Christ, next to those believers who have died and lastly to those who remain at His coming. Both the dead and living in Christ are changed in a "tinkling of an eye, yet the dead get theirs first - might this be kind of a reward?! As for John 5:25 - the "dead" in this verse refers to those who are spiritually dead, not physically dead. John 3:13 - Until the ressurrection of Christ,the righteous resided in the "Paradise" side of Sheol and the wicked were confined to "Torments" See the account of Lazarus and the rich man (luke 16). I believe that in the context of John 3:13, Jesus is referring to the future death of His body prior to His asension. I'll admit it is confusing but we have to accept the Lord's testimony on the matter when understanding is not possible. There are two individuals in Scripture who did not experience physical death (Enoch - Gen 5:24 and Elijah - 2 Kings 2:11). Elijah was taken up into heaven - was this the "Third Heaven," the throne room of God or was this just the description of what Elisha saw as he went up into the sky? As far as these two individuals are concerned, I suspect that they are the TWO WITNESSES mentioned in Revelation 11. We read that they will eventually suffer death of the body too. They will also be ressurected! Which would consistent and confirm the statement that Jesus made in John 3:13. Also, bear in mind again that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God", which at this time is being prepared for us! Some things to consider. . . but "the secret things of God belong to God! Dt. 29:29 |
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3 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Love Fountain | 36286 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, You say,"There are two individuals in Scripture who did not experience physical death (Enoch - Gen 5:24 and Elijah - 2 Kings 2:11)." I was reading in 1Cor 15:35,36 as follows, 1 Cor 15:35-36 35 But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?" 36 You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; NASU Please don't take offense, I am not name calling here. My point is that in the verses above in 1Cor 15 and in the verses to follow as we read the remainder of Chapter 15 we are told that unless the natural(flesh) body dies it will not be raised into a spiritual body. How does this fit into what you have stated regarding Enoch and Elijah? Also, many believe that Moses and Elijah are the two witness in Rev 11. It appears you believe Enoch to be in place of Moses, but what about the fact that the dead body of Moses was buried by Jehovah and was never seen? Deut 34:5-6 5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6 And He buried him in the valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth-peor; but no man knows his burial place to this day. NASU What do you think? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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4 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 36287 | ||
Greetings Lovefountain. Yes, I know what many believe, I was just suggesting that Enoch may be the other witness because of what Jesus said in John 3:13, that no one has ascended into Heaven except the Son of Man. This would lead me to believe that perhaps the two individuals that did not taste physical death are the two witnesses described in Rev 11. We are told in Hebrews 9:27 - "It is appointed unto man to die once!" In Rev 11, we read that these two will be killed. Since Moses already died according to Scripture - Dt 34:5 - how can he die a second time? Do you follow my reasoning here? These were just some thoughts, nothing to agree or disagree about!Blessings, Mommapbs |
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5 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Love Fountain | 36290 | ||
Dear Mommapbs, Thank you for the thoughts and the response. Please find attached commentary notes below, for another thought, Deut 34:1-8 Deuteronomy 34:1-8 And Moses went up from the plains of Moab unto the mountain of Nebo, to the top of Pisgah, that is over against Jericho. And the LORD shewed him all the land of Gilead, unto Dan, Verse 1-8. 1 a. Moses went up ... unto mount Nebo (ASV). Moses walked alone the ascent of no return, away from the promised land to the top of the mountain ridge on the west of the plains of Moab, opposite Jericho, to Mount Nebo. The panorama of Israel's sworn inheritance is described as it appeared looking first towards the northeast, thence westward and south, back to the plain stretching between Jericho and Moses. 2. The Western Sea (RSV); i.e., the Mediteranean, lying beyond the hills of Judah, is not naturally visible from Nebo. 4 b. Thou shalt not go over thither. Cf. Deut 1:37; 3:26; 4:21-22; 32:52. Though not now able to enter the land, Moses beheld its northern mountain peaks, on one of which he, with Elijah, was afterwards to stand and speak with the Mediator of the New Covenant concerning the exodus he must accomplish at Jerusalem before he might cross over into the heavenly inheritance (cf. Matt 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30-31). It was necessary for Jesus to die before entering his rest, because he was the true Mediator who came to reconcile his sinful people unto God; Moses must die without entering the typical rest because as the OT mediator he had by official transgression disqualified himself for completing the mission which prefigured that of the sinless Son of God. Unlike Moses, who after his death was succeeded by Joshua (Deut 33:9), the Messianic Mediator would succeed himself after his death because it was not possible that death should hold him. 7. Nor his natural force abated. Moses, though 120 years of age (cf. 31:2; 7:7), did not expire of old age, but by the command of God, who by His sovereign word creates and destroys (Deut 34:5). On the location of Moses' burial (v. 6), see 3:29; 4:46. On its sequel, see Jude 9. (from The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1962 by Moody Press) and, Deut 34:6 Deuteronomy 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. [No man knoweth of his sepulchre] Hardly, lest the grave of Moses should become an object of superstitious honor, because the Jews were not prone to this particular fore of error. Bearing in mind the appearance of Moses at the Transfiguration (Matt 17:1-10), and what is said by Jude (Jude 9), we may conjecture that Moses after death passed into the same state with Enoch and Elijah; and that his grave could not be found because he was shortly translated (transported) from it. (from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft) Bless you, Love Fountain |
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6 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 36294 | ||
Thanks - interesting commentary, but it still does not address the fact that Enoch and Elijah did not experience a physical death as Moses did. I wonder what the devil and Michael were arguing about over the body of Moses, maybe this is an indication to us that we should not either! Just a thought! Won't Heaven be great? Just think, all these questions will be answered, but frankly, I don't think they will even matter then! - keep looking up! Mommapbs | ||||||
7 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | 10ECPreacher | 36299 | ||
Greetings, Mommapbs. I would like to point out a scripture for consideration on this topic. "By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; AND HE WAS NOT FOUND BECAUSE GOD TOOK HIM UP; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God. ... All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth." [Heb. 11:5, NASB] Even though Enoch did not "see" death (i.e., he lived a scant 365 years compared to 969 of Methusaleh), the Bible records that he indeed "died in faith". I believe Elijah died in a similar manner, when he was "taken up" by God in a whirlwind, accompanied by "a chariot of fire and horses of fire". See 2 Kings 2:11-12. In order for the resurrected Jesus Christ to be the first to have eternal life, no one could be said to possess it before Him. Before Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave, eternal life, though a theological certainty for the future, was not yet an actual possibility. There were many resuscitations or restoring back to life from the dead in the Bible (such as Lazarus), but all of these people eventually did die again. Kind regards, Tim D. Cormier Tennessee Preacher |
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8 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | srbaegon | 36300 | ||
Hi Tim, I disagree with you here. The writer of Hebrews is using a generalized comment concerning the aforementioned saints after he had already qualified Enoch's unique situation. Concerning the Lord Jesus being "the first to have eternal life," I suppose that is accurate in that nobody could have eternal life before He conquered death, yet they were safe in Abraham's bosom being a state of practical eternal life though not the final reality. What do you think? Steve |
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9 | what is the state of the dead in Christ? | 1 Cor 5:8 | Mommapbs | 36313 | ||
Greetings Steve: "The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they entered the holy city and appeared to many." Mt 27:52-53. The sequence is AFTER the resurrection so Christ indeed would be the first to have eternal life. But how can we account for these individuals? What do you think happened to them? There is a reference in Ephesians 4:8 which says the when Jesus "ascended on high, He led captives in His train and gave gifts to men." Could these individuals be those "captives?" In a post earlier in February on Mt 27:52 by Robert Nicholson he makes this observation as well. I guess some things we won't know until we get to Heaven! That's OK with me! Mommapbs | ||||||