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1 | Is 1 Cor 1:4-7 same gifts as chap 12 | 1 Cor 1:4 | Scribe | 63310 | ||
1 Cor 1:4-9 As it relates to Speaking In Tongues. In my study of this subject I have been amazed at the amount of scriptures that cover the topic of both speaking in tongues and also Spiritual gifts. I think we grow accustomed to hearing the same scriptures used by those that believe these gifts are for the church today and another group of select scriptures used by those that think it isn't and taking both sides it seems that only a very few of the vast amount of scriptures on this subject are ever contemplated. In order for me to cover them all and leave nothing unturned I will write a seperate document that I will post to the room at a later time. That being said I will leap into the discussion at the point of I Corinthians since it is probably going to be the most quoted book on this subject in this thread on this board. I was going to begin with 1 Cor 12 but having spent time meditating on it beforehand I could not help but see that 1 Cor 1 is vital to the subject as well. As a side note I have noticed that the first chapter of many books of the bible are critical for understanding the rest of the book. 1 Corinthians 1:4-9 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. First of all I would like to note that Paul in his prayers for the Corinthians had great joy and thanksgiving for the fact that they were operating in the Spiritual gifts in abundance. This is important to bring balance to what he says later in chapter 14, those passages that often seem to be the only ones some know on the whole subject of tongues that they use to make it sound as though Paul said they should not speak in tongues anymore becuase it is the lesser of the gifts. That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge; It is not fair to apply your own interpretation to the words "utterance and knowledge" here. If you would treat it fairly you will notice that not only is it logical to apply the words all utterance and knowledge as a reference to the spiritual gifts they were enriched with as seen later in the book. I rely more on comparing certain truths with one another than I do on the exact syntax of the original language so I am more persuaded by the method of seeing certain concepts and understandings in the bible reiterated by Paul in different ways than I am haggling over the exact tense of a greek word. Therefore I am persuaded that my interpretation of the above quote is correct (that it applies to spiritual gifts) because of verse such as these… 2Co 8:7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also. 1 Corinthians 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. I am not a Greek scholar, however leaning upon the understanding of those that are, and that have written commentaries for our edification I find that a brief review of commonly available online commentaries show that most of these scholars were convinced that the gifts of the Holy Spirit mentioned later in the chapter is what Paul is referring to when he uses the phrase.. “enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;” Albert Barne’s Notes on the New Testament The People’s New Testament Commentary Thompson, (Thompson Chain Reference (utterance given in aid of religious testimony) John Nelson Darby, Synopsis of the Bible John Gill’s Exposition of the Bible Matthew Henry Part 2 of this post will follow immediately |
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2 | Is 1 Cor 1:4-7 same gifts as chap 12 | 1 Cor 1:4 | Morant61 | 63354 | ||
Greetings Scribe! At first, I thought you were reaching a bit! :-) However, the Greek text does lend support to your proposition. Consider the following points. a) 1 Cor. 1:5 uses two signficant words: (Word - 'logos') and (Knowledge - 'gnosis'). You pointed the connection out between 1 Cor. 1:5 and 1 Cor. 12:8, but I wanted to stress that the same exact Greek words appear in both verses. In 1 Cor. 12:8, two of the spiritual gifts are: (A word 'logos' of wisdom, and a word 'logos' of wisdom 'gnosis'). b) Secondly, 1 Cor. 1:7 uses the word (Spiritual Gift - 'charisma'). This is the same word which is used in the following verses: 1) 1 Cor. 12:4 - "There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit." 2) 1 Cor. 12:9 - "to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit," 3) 1 Cor. 12:28 - "And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues." 4) 1 Cor. 12:30 - "Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?" 5) 1 Cor. 12:31 - "But eagerly desire the greater gifts." So, I think that you are correct that 1 Cor. 1:4-9 is a reference to spiritual gifts. Of course, it is also important to mention that the fact that they had been given all spiritual gifts did not keep them from engaging in sin and being divisive. :-( Of course, it wasn't the spiritual gifts which caused these problems, rather it was an issue of the abuse of spiritual gifts. I am a firm believer that the modern church needs the gifts of the Spirit to be effective in ministry. I look foward to reading the rest of your comments. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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