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1 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Makarios | 216370 | ||
Greetings Cmfrantz, I have noticed that you are a new user at this Forum and I welcome you! I invite you to perhaps give a little bit of information about your background in your User Profile. You reply: "In regards to Romans 5:9--The wrath would be the Bowls, wouldnt it? If the last trumpet is the 7th trumpet then we would be raptured before the bowls start. The bowls being Gods wrath. The seals, trumpets, and the bowls are all taking place in the sevenieth week. This week being the tribulation. I am only stating with how I am understanding it thus far. I am open to listen to other theorys." I appreciate your openness and receptivity on this issue! Romans 5:9 "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." (KJV) If we examine Romans 5:9 in its proper context, the 'saving from wrath' is the saving from eternal wrath (John 3:36) because the Son has justified us. Within the context, Romans 5:9 does not have anything to do with the Tribulation or persecution in general. I personally do not believe in a Pretribulationist point of view, but this verse (Romans 5:9) is cited frequently by those who do believe in the Pretribulationist point of view. According to my point of view (Pre-Wrath), the rapture of the saints initiates God's wrath, which happens on the very same day (Luke 17:22, 26-30) "but on that day.." (Luke 17:29-30) of the beginning of God's wrath. Therefore, if the rapture of the saints and the Day of the Lord happen on the same day, then the timing of the rapture is significantly narrowed because of the fact that it would be tied to the timing of the Day of the Lord. I agree with you when you say that God's people will be raptured before the seven bowl judgments start, which is God's wrath on the unrepentant: "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Rev. 9:21, KJV) It is a shame that the church is so focused on the timing of the rapture instead of on the condition of our hearts at the timing of Christ's return. If there is one thing that I can say for Pretribulationism, it stresses the immediacy for repentance: "I tell you that He will bring about justice for them quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) Blessings to you, Makarios |
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2 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Val | 216376 | ||
Dear Makarios, Regarding the Day of the Lord. It is a period of time not just one day. | ||||||
3 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Makarios | 216479 | ||
Greetings Val! You write "Dear Makarios, Regarding the Day of the Lord. It is a period of time not just one day." I am assuming that your eschatological point of view is different from mine. Concerning the Day of the Lord, if you read Zephaniah 1:14-18, the word "day" is mentioned 10 times. In the New Testament, if you read 2 Peter 3:4-7,9,10,12 the text mentions "looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God..". Moreover, 2 Peter 3:7 mentions "kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men". In fact, the very event of the Day of the Lord is always described as a "day." I am straining to find any scriptural evidence to suggest that the Day of the Lord is describing a period of time rather than a single day. Even if such a referent could be found, there are many more citations in Scripture where this time is described as a day event rather than a period event. Therefore, it is Scripturally sound to interpret the Day of the Lord as a literal 'day' event rather than a period event. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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4 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Val | 216480 | ||
Greetings man, ok let us look at the scripture you referenced in Zephaniah reading the entire recordasking the who, what, when, where, why and how questions such as who is the word of the Lord to. Who did Zephaniah prophesy to? What was the message? Why was this going to be done? What was gong to happen to them? Where was this going to happen? How long was it going to last? Who would the Lord use to bring about his message or his decree? What would the Lord do to this nation? | ||||||
5 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Makarios | 216494 | ||
Greetings Val! Please cite chapter and verse please. If you make a statement such as the one you made and it does not carry the weight of scriptural support, then your statement will not resonate whatsoever with any clarity, edification or use whatsoever on this Bible Forum. If I could divide into two people and were writing in response to myself just to make myself prove what I have written beyond simple citation, word accuracy and gut belief (which, granted, usually is enough for convincing on this Forum), then I would write something like this: Makarios2 writes to Makarios: "Makarios, the Day of the Lord has to represent a period of time instead of a single day because of the fact that it includes the Great Tribulation (Isaiah 2:12-19; 4:1), the second coming of Christ (Joel 2:30-32), and the Millennium (Isaiah 4:2; 12; 19:23-25; Jeremiah 30:7-9). Therefore, the Day of the Lord has to encompass more than just a 24 hour period." This type of reply would have made me think and consider the context of what I wrote and made me reach beyond quoting how many times the word "day" occurs in Zephaniah 1:14-18 and I would have made the following reply: "Greetings Makarios2! "While what you point out is very true - that all of those events can be interpreted as being part of or included in The Day of the Lord, based on your eschatological point of view, the Bible never specifies that this "day" is a literal 24 hour period even if all of those events could happen in a single day. "While I do not doubt that when the Bible speaks of a day it speaks of a 24 hour period, there is a least one place (Joshua 10:12-14) where God could make the sun stand still. It is clear that the Day of the Lord is a huge event that is prophecied many times over throughout the Bible and involves God's special intervention in the affairs of human history. Certainly God "from whose presence earth and heaven fled away" (Rev. 20:11) has the power to either do all events mentioned above on the Day of the Lord, or simply prolong the single day to include all events. Perhaps the celestial system (both sun and moon) cease to operate as we know them to, especially if the Day of the Lord follows "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes." (Joel 2:31; Acts 2:20; Rev. 6:12). "If Bible believing Christians can take such liberty with the first 7 days of creation (Genesis 1) by saying that they really represented periods of time (or millions of years), then I certainly could state that perhaps the Day of the Lord is unlike any other day that we have known before or since based on the celestial events that happen after the sixth trumpet (Rev. 6:12). Or, I could simply remain consistent with my Genesis "days" interpretation, meaning 6 literal days, and call the Day of the Lord a literal day also, since the textual evidence, especially if you consider Zephaniah 1:14-18 suggests so." This is the type of answer/reply I was looking for - something that can be based in Scripture and perhaps give me (or another user) a chance to stretch or explain what I find in much greater depth. Perhaps I should create a new profile to challenge myself from time to time so that I make doubly sure that I don't get off scott free with some of my answers and make me earn my money's worth. :) Blessings to you, Makarios |
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6 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Val | 216499 | ||
Please remember to exhibit Christ like character in the dialogue. Galatians 5:22-23. Remember to have respect for one another. Keep the discussion polite, just as you would want in posts addressed to you. Ephesians 4:1-3,29. | ||||||
7 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | justme | 216500 | ||
Val: Just as a point on your response. If someone sent me a note with "Greetings man" it might considered to be a put down on me being a man. Val, the point you make about the "day" really is more solidly in favor of meaning a single day. This may be debatable, but the most literal understanding is a one day event. In all honesty as I read your note with "Greetings man" for me and perhaps other men it sure came out like "man bashing" to me. Perhaps that's not what you ment? We all need to be reminded to consider how our words on the screen might be read in a way we did not intend. The world judges us by how we treat each other, and the love and respect we show each other. The dialogue on the day of the Lord is open to different interpretations and dialogue, but not to insist it is only to be viewed as my way only. Blessings. justme |
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8 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | Val | 216563 | ||
Justme, I was posting from my mobile phone. I was on vacation. I typed Mak. Short for the whole name. It came out man. The letters on the phone are small and it is a touch screen. I have had it about a month and still getting used to it. It was to say Greetings Mak. Context is key in interpretation of biblical passages. Definiations are one part of observation. Also asking the five w's and an h questions. Observation of the text is vital. Using the passage that was first quoted is what I was referring to in context if you read my response. The entire book is only a few chapters long. It is unwise for me to take a single word or a single verse and give a difficult subject as day of the Lord an interrpretation. The verses referred to to explain ones view must be looked at in their context in light of the historical background and the author's purpose for writing the entire book then look at the book in context of the entire sixty six books. Justme, are you the moderator now? |
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9 | follow up to 1 corinth 15 question | 1 Cor 15:52 | justme | 216606 | ||
Val: I thought you response was kind, until your last line. I find it a sad note, and it says a lot about the love, kindness, and respect you show to me. Your rudeness is forgiven and I shall avoid communicating with you. Hopefully that will bring some peace. justme |
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