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1 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | kalos | 22378 | ||
Did Jesus Already Return in AD 70? by Bill Lee-Warner "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matthew 24:34 The above passage is found in what is referred to as the Olivet Discourse of Jesus given a few days before Christ's crucifixion. The context for Matthew 24:34 is Jesus' response to the questions of the disciples regarding His return and the end of the age. There are those in the church of Jesus Christ who understand "this generation" to refer to the generation to whom Jesus was speaking the day He gave the discourse. The apostle Paul recognized this error and warned Timothy of it when he wrote, "But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and...spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some." (2 Tim. 2:16-18) Today, there is a resurgence of this teaching known as preterism. The term preterism comes from the Latin word praeterism and means "past" or already gone by. The basic teaching of preterism is that the great tribulation has already occured in the distant past, principally at AD 70. Those who hold to this teaching are known specifically as full preterists. There is another subgroup of preterists known as partial or moderate preterists. This latter group sees parts of the Olivet Discourse, or Jesus' teaching on end times, as partially fulfilled in AD 70 but other parts as yet to be fulfilled at the second parousia of Christ. Several efforts have been made to establish preterism as historically sound and biblical but the clear warning of Paul reminds us that it is an heretical and false teaching. The following reasons are offered to the student of Scripture and prophecy for consideration. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and examine the Word to "see if these things are so." (To read the rest of this article, to which the above is merely an introduction, go to www.signministries.org/articles/topic24_thisgeneration.htm) Grace to you, kalos |
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2 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | Morant61 | 22712 | ||
Greetings Kalos! I definitely don't accept the preterist position on prophecy, but I do think that it is possible that part of Mt. 24 refers to the current generation and part refers to far distant events. The difficulty is determining which is which! :-) I think this is a good example of prophetic telescoping (which is common in Old Testament prophecies)! I wholehearedly reject any view though that says Christ returned in 70 A.D.! Good article! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | kalos | 22713 | ||
Tim Moran: As you know, I also WHOLEHEARTEDLY reject any view that says Christ returned in 70 A.D.! On the whole, I believe that if one takes Matthew 24 at face value, paying attention to both the details and the immediate context, its application and meaning is relatively plain and simple. It is only when we start with certain pre-conceived ideas and try to force the chapter to fit those ideas, that we make Matthew 24 say something other than what it plainly says. There are many prophecies that have both a near and a distant application or fulfillment. Some of the OT Messianic prophecies are in this category. I believe all of Matthew 24 refers to far distant events. Those parts that refer only to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. are history. As such, they should not be too hard to identify. Grace to you, kalos |
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4 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | Tim Sheasby | 22820 | ||
I think this agrees with my conclusions also. From verse 35 onward I believe this is speaking of the Second Coming -- still to come. I think v 34 closes off the preceding section and refers back to those events. I don't believe it has any relevance in the verses that follow it. Many have tried to say that this verse does not talk about that specific generation (Most notably the Jehova Witnesses, though there are others). Many have claimed to be able to determine from scripture the date of the second coming -- and so far have been wrong every time. The day and hour can never be determined since v.36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Grace and Peace Tim |
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