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1 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | Tim Sheasby | 22199 | ||
Rapture is a man made term and is based on misunderstanding of Matthew 24 (The so-called signs of the times). If you read the passage that this discussion is based on you will see that this is talking about the final end of creation. I am sorry to disillusion you but the tribulation took place nearly 2000 years ago already. A careful study of Matthew 24 along with historic writings of the time will show how the destruction of the Jewish temple preceded a time of terrible tribulation as has never been seen since. That marked the final end of the Jewish people as the chosen ones of God. The signs of the times mentioned in that passage also have been misunderstood. It says that people will SAY the end is near because these things are happening. We know though that Jesus said that NO ONE knows the time except God so how can we presume to be able to work it out? | ||||||
2 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | kalos | 22378 | ||
Did Jesus Already Return in AD 70? by Bill Lee-Warner "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." Matthew 24:34 The above passage is found in what is referred to as the Olivet Discourse of Jesus given a few days before Christ's crucifixion. The context for Matthew 24:34 is Jesus' response to the questions of the disciples regarding His return and the end of the age. There are those in the church of Jesus Christ who understand "this generation" to refer to the generation to whom Jesus was speaking the day He gave the discourse. The apostle Paul recognized this error and warned Timothy of it when he wrote, "But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and...spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some." (2 Tim. 2:16-18) Today, there is a resurgence of this teaching known as preterism. The term preterism comes from the Latin word praeterism and means "past" or already gone by. The basic teaching of preterism is that the great tribulation has already occured in the distant past, principally at AD 70. Those who hold to this teaching are known specifically as full preterists. There is another subgroup of preterists known as partial or moderate preterists. This latter group sees parts of the Olivet Discourse, or Jesus' teaching on end times, as partially fulfilled in AD 70 but other parts as yet to be fulfilled at the second parousia of Christ. Several efforts have been made to establish preterism as historically sound and biblical but the clear warning of Paul reminds us that it is an heretical and false teaching. The following reasons are offered to the student of Scripture and prophecy for consideration. Be a Berean (Acts 17:11) and examine the Word to "see if these things are so." (To read the rest of this article, to which the above is merely an introduction, go to www.signministries.org/articles/topic24_thisgeneration.htm) Grace to you, kalos |
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3 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | Tim Sheasby | 22689 | ||
Part 1: There were people then who also mis-understood what Jesus was saying. However I believe Jesus was talking about the people before him that day. Let me give my brief exegesis of Matthew 24. To start with Jesus knows his time has nearly come. Perhaps that is why the disciples try to cheer him up or distract him by showing him how beautiful the temple is and he tells them the temple will be destroyed (AD 70) The disciples now come to him for more information and ask 2 questions. 1. "When will these things happen?" 2. "What will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" v.3. The twofold question was probably seen as one by the disciples because for them, as Jews, the destruction of the Temple would be the end of the world! Jesus, however, treats it as two separate questions. Before he answers them, though, he gives them a warning. Matt 24:4-14 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you. "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many. "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. "At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. "Because lawlessness is increased, most people's love will grow cold. "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come. Please note -- Jesus does not say that these are the signs of the times but that PEOPLE will SAY that these are signs. And this leads to the tribulation. When Jesus says "the end will come" he is talking about the end of Israel (physical) as God's chosen people. |
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4 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | kalos | 22706 | ||
In what verse of Matthew 24 does Jesus say "that PEOPLE will SAY that these are signs?" Is Jesus talking about the end of Israel (physical) as God's chosen people? "Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. "That Israel has not been [and WILL NOT BE] forever set aside is the theme of this chapter" (Romans 11). "(1) The salvation of Paul proves that there is still a remnant (Romans 11:1) "(2) The doctrine of the remnant proves it (Romans 11:2-6). "(3) The present national unbelief was foreseen (Romans 11:7-10). "(4) Israel's unbelief is the Gentile opportunity (Romans 11:11-25). "(5) Israel is judicially broken off from the good olive tree, Christ (Romans 11:17-22 ). "(6) They are to be grafted in again (Romans 11:23,24). "(7) The promised Deliverer will come out of Zion and the nation will be saved (Romans 11:25-29). That the Christian now inherits the distinctive Jewish promises is not taught in Scripture. The Christian is of the heavenly seed of Abraham ; (Genesis 15:5,6 ; Galatians 3:29) and partakes of the spiritual blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant. "(See Scofield Genesis 15:18) but Israel as a nation always has it own place, and is yet to have its greatest exaltation as the earthly people of God. See "Israel" (Genesis 12:2 ; Romans 11:26 "Kingdom"; Genesis 1:26-28 ; Zechariah 12:8)." Bibliography Information Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Jude 1". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/) 1917. |
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5 | When will the rapture occur???? | 1 Cor 15:52 | Tim Sheasby | 22819 | ||
The "people will say" statement is my paraphrase. In Matt 24:5-8 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many. "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs." He is not saying these are signs, just that these are things that happen. They have not stopped happening since that day! The section does begin with people claiming to be the Christ and misleading many. But again also, in light of my understanding of the passage, these are evnts that precede the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. In answer to your points on Romans 11: 1. This was written by Paul BEFORE the destruction of Jerusalem. But once the Temple was destroyed the genealogical records of the Jewish people were destroyed. Without these they cannot proove their identity. Priests could not practice without proof of descent. That is why today there is no Jewish priesthood and no sacrifice. Paul said his gospel was "to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (gentile)" Rom 1:16. Israel simply DOES NOT EXIST without these records. 2. Any faithful remnants of Israel came into the new Israel before AD 70. 3. vv. 7-10 tell us about this remnant. The faithful remnant are rewarded according to the promise of God (fulfilment of OT promises to the Jews) but the majority, who rejected God, are hardened and ultimately cut off. 4. Amen! 5. Amen! (At least we agree on something!) 6. They can only be grafted in if they do not continue in their unbelief. This had not happened by AD 70 (40 years after Christ died -- Interesting time period that), has not happened to this day, and has no evidence of ever changing. According to the passage you quote THEY HAVE ALREADY been cut off! (v 20). The warning to us, the gentiles, is that if God was willing to cut off the original branches then how can we expect Him to be unwilling to cut US off if necessary? 7. v.25b ". . . a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;" This is the lead up to AD 70. At AD 70 this prophesy is fulfilled. v.26a "and so all Israel will be saved;" is again fulfilled in AD 70 since after that there is no more physical Israel. The rest of v26 to the end of 27 quotes Isaiah 59:20. This refers to Jesus Christ, who has indeed come. This speaks of the first coming, not the second. In Christ, Tim |
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