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1 | division? | 1 Cor 14:1 | mcs9209 | 230611 | ||
Why would a church divide the men from the women and make each have their own sunday school? Please show Biblical references. Thank you :) | ||||||
2 | division? | 1 Cor 14:1 | Bill Richardson | 230612 | ||
1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church. Yes I can see that in this modern world of liberal thinking that God's Position on this subject is rather difficult to accept. But remember, we men MUST also follow the sacred Patterns for us set by God so we all have a role to fulfill as Decreed by God, including kids. BUT I must disagree about this dividing the church into groups in Bible School. We enjoy both concepts in our congregation. On Sunday morning, we have two co-ed classes: 1) a class on the Minor Prophets taught by one of our elders and 2) a class on the Christian family taught by our minister. On Wed night, our ladies get together for an exclusive class, discussing the articles in "The Christian Woman" magazine. Thus they are complying with God's Commands to teach younger women and train them up "in the Lord." Us guys meet in a class with me as the discussion leader. Right now we discussing the Book of Hebrews. I acknowledge that it is true, throughout our nation and the family of Christ that some congregations have their own distinct personality and do this dividing business as you suggest a little more harshly than it should be done. But that's just one of the quirks of being where you're at. I grew up in a VERY conservative congregation and have since seen and experienced a great many different parts of the nation and the world, worshiping and working with dozens of congregations. They all have very distinct personalities, spanning the whole spectrum of conservative to liberal. So it's always important to choose a congregation that closely resembles your own personality, for your own spiritual growth as well as your spouse and children. I can't think of a specific scripture to support that last statement but I can offer a famous quote: "Grow where you're planted." I do know for a fact that our God does want us to grow and we MUST do so in accordance with His Word. Jn 15:1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me. 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Go with God, Bill PS: I confirmed just now with my wife about this exclusive class of women. They prefer it this way; they talk about stuff they would never feel comfortable discussing with men present. God's Way is always the best way. In this manner we men talk about men stuff, especially to our young men, including how they must respect the women in their lives and the ladies do their thing. |
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3 | division? | 1 Cor 14:1 | Aslans_Friend | 230635 | ||
Thanks, Bill. I see the concept handed down in tradition more than the Pentateuch other than Genesis 3:16 . Clarke's Commentary on the Bible says about this particular passage: Let your women keep silence in the churches - This was a Jewish ordinance; women were not permitted to teach in the assemblies, or even to ask questions. The rabbins taught that "a woman should know nothing but the use of her distaff." And the sayings of Rabbi Eliezer, as delivered, Bammidbar Rabba, sec. 9, fol. 204, are both worthy of remark and of execration; they are these: yisrephu dibrey torah veal yimsaru lenashim, "Let the words of the law be burned, rather than that they should be delivered to women." This was their condition till the time of the Gospel, when, according to the prediction of Joel, the Spirit of God was to be poured out on the women as well as the men, that they might prophesy, i.e. teach. And that they did prophesy or teach is evident from what the apostle says, 1 Corinthians 11:5, where he lays down rules to regulate this part of their conduct while ministering in the church. But does not what the apostle says here contradict that statement, and show that the words in chap. 11 should be understood in another sense? For, here it is expressly said that they should keep silence in the church; for it was not permitted to a woman to speak. Both places seem perfectly consistent. It is evident from the context that the apostle refers here to asking questions, and what we call dictating in the assemblies. It was permitted to any man to ask questions, to object, altercate, attempt to refute, etc., in the synagogue; but this liberty was not allowed to any woman. St. Paul confirms this in reference also to the Christian Church; he orders them to keep silence; and, if they wished to learn any thing, let them inquire of their husbands at home; because it was perfectly indecorous for women to be contending with men in public assemblies, on points of doctrine, cases of conscience, etc. But this by no means intimated that when a woman received any particular influence from God to enable her to teach, that she was not to obey that influence; on the contrary, she was to obey it, and the apostle lays down directions in chap. 11 for regulating her personal appearance when thus employed. All that the apostle opposes here is their questioning, finding fault, disputing, etc., in the Christian Church, as the Jewish men were permitted to do in their synagogues; together with the attempts to usurp any authority over the man, by setting up their judgment in opposition to them; for the apostle has in view, especially, acts of disobedience, arrogance, etc., of which no woman would be guilty who was under the influence of the Spirit of God. But - to be under obedience, as also saith the law - This is a reference to Genesis 3:16 : Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. From this it is evident that it was the disorderly and disobedient that the apostle had in view; and not any of those on whom God had poured out his Spirit. Thanks for your indulgence. -Jay |
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4 | division? | 1 Cor 14:1 | Bill Richardson | 230641 | ||
I think it's worthwhile to note that in both cases, the OT and NT were progressive as compared with their contemporaries in the world at that time. God has always been far more decent to women than most men of the world are inclined to be. It also needs to be said that all of us, men and women MUST follow our roles as provided by God. This Guidance from God does place men over women, just as He placed His Son over the church, His bride. In no way does this imply a position of one superior or inferior to the other. It's simply the Order of God's World, much like we put a horse in front of the cart or a car in front of the trailer. But I'll be first to admit the very real truth to the old axiom: "Behind every good man stands a good (and sometimes better) woman." God's Way is ALWAYS the best way. Go with God in all things. Bill |
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