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1 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:1 | MrHappyface | 61345 | ||
I am wondering if a calvinist could explain to me why God, if all things are ordained by him, would judge people? what I mean is, if God made us all, and God chose everything we would do, why did he give us the 'illusion' of freewill, and why would he judge us for things he made us do? I can understand it if I except God delegates Authority to man so that we may choose to love him, then I can see why all the suffering and death and pain are worth it to God, because some will "choose" to love him, But if in the end we cannot choose, why did he not simply make us perfect in the first place? God is outside of time, so to me words like foreordained, and foreknew, are meaningless in the context of God himself, though they obviously have meaning to man. |
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2 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:1 | JRdoc | 61346 | ||
YOU SAID: I am wondering if a Calvinist could explain to me why God, if all things are ordained by him, would judge people? what I mean is, if God made us all, and God chose everything we would do, why did he give us the 'illusion' of freewill, and why would he judge us for things he made us do? 1. Because HE is God and does as He does as He desires in all the earth (1 Chron 16:14; Psa 105:7; Dan 4:35). 2. For it is the “good pleasure of His will” and for His own glory (Eph 1:4-5, 9-12) 3. Time does not permit me to answer in full, but, May “God” ask you from His Word, “who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?” (Rom 9) Your error is that you THINK that everyone is DESERVING of salvation when NONE are. No one is worthy, No one is deserving. No one deserves salvation. Everyone is worthy of eternal death and hell. Everyone has nothing worthy of God’s affection, “but God commendeth his love toward US, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for US.” It is a gift. Gifts are given to whom a person wills to give them. God chose to give the gift of salvation to those He elected. It is not our fault that God chose us, but praise God He did! Who are you to reply against God and His design for the universe that He created? ---- YOU SAID: “I can understand it if I except God delegates Authority to man so that we may choose to love him, then I can see why all the suffering and death and pain are worth it to God, because some will "choose" to love him, But if in the end we cannot choose, why did he not simply make us perfect in the first place?” When God created man—Adam—He was perfect? It is not His fault YOU fell. At least that is what my Bible says, does an Arminian Bible really say that God created man imperfect? ---- YOU SAID: “God is outside of time, so to me words like foreordained, and foreknew, are meaningless in the context of God himself, though they obviously have meaning to man.” Well this is an amazing statement and I guess you do have a different version of the Bible. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. If words like “foreordained, and foreknew, are meaningless in the context of God himself” then why is HE so insistent in affirming IT IS HIS WORD? His WORD is TRUTH and THE TRUTH that defeats Arminianism and THE TRUTH that will set an Arminian free from his works righteousness religion and philosophy of God. -- Refer to a Scripture and lets debate that, but this philosophy and denying the Scripture to be able to make your point is pointless. |
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