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1 | Does this verse say that GOD chooses? | Rom 9:11 | Barean | 197726 | ||
Does this verse say that GOD chooses or that we choose? | ||||||
2 | Does this verse say that GOD chooses? | Rom 9:11 | DocTrinsograce | 197727 | ||
Hi, Barean... Welcome to the forum! Always read passages of Scripture in context. Frequently the verse in question will become clear in the full context, or another verse will summarize the full context. The passage you are asking about is, indeed, summarized by Paul when he says, "So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy." (Romans 9:16 ESV) Kay Arthur used to say, "God's provision always precedes our need." You see, God graciously and lovingly begins the work of transformation in my heart while I am yet estranged from Him. His work changes my heart such that I am able to choose Him! Augustine pointed out that grace does not destroy the will but repairs it! Along these same lines, John Calvin wrote, "Men by their own free will cannot turn to God until He first change their stony hearts into hearts of flesh." (cf Ezekiel 36:26) Of course, Romans 9 is perfectly in the context of the earlier eight chapters of Romans. I read recently a sermon by John Piper, from a communion Sunday, where he specifically discusses Romans 9 in its context. This might be helpful for you: "And it is utterly crucial for us as we move to the Lord’s table. Will the promises of Romans 8 stand? Will the blood-bought promises that we Gentiles and Jews are staking our lives on stand? Will God stand by His commitments, sealed with the blood of His Son? Will he work all things together for our good? Will the predestined be called and the called be justified and the justified be glorified? Will He give us all things with Him? Will nothing separate us from the love of God in Christ? Is there really now no condemnation, and will there be none tomorrow? "Romans 9 comes after Romans 8 for this utterly crucial reason: It shows that the word of God’s covenant with Israel has not failed, because it is grounded in God’s sovereign, electing mercy. Therefore the promises to the true Israel and the promises of Romans 8 will stand! That is the gospel of Romans 9. The promises purchased by the blood of Christ will be performed by the sovereign power of God. "Oh, how thankful, how humble, and how confident we should be as we worship the Lord at His table." In Him, Doc |
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3 | "Kay Arthur used to say, .....? | Rom 9:11 | Barean | 197832 | ||
Hi Doc, Thanks so much for your beautifully stated response. My question was, in reality, a bit of a ruse. Sorry for that. I'm new to this way of thinking and was interested in if I was on the right track, and just how far off our generation has come. You said something interesting, you said "Kay Arthur used to say, "God's provision always precedes our need" does this imply that she no longer says this or something else? I'm a very big fan of Precepts, in fact in January I'll be starting the Romans precept course. For a lack of any better way of saying it, my church is Baptist and well as you may know Baptist aren't known for the Reformation Theology. So when you said Kay Arthur believes the work of grace proceeds our need, well I was encouraged. I'm not going to back down in my understanding of this or any other passage that teaches GOD FIRST, but I sure wasn't looking forward to the confrontation. A friend of mine is perhaps smarting than I and is unwilling to make a comment or start anything in class, I'm not sure I can be quite so quite. Is this wisdom? P.S. Does "DOC" indicate a degree? God bless, Berean |
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4 | "Kay Arthur used to say, .....? | Rom 9:11 | DocTrinsograce | 197834 | ||
Dear Barean, My sister, now retired, who worked for over 25 years at Precept Ministries, has corrected me. The quote was from Al Wittinghill. I guess I must have heard him say those words during one of my visits to the farm over the years. Baptists have strongly Reformed and Monergistic roots. The shift away from those roots is a phenomenon that has gradually taken place over the last 130 years or so. You might want to visit the Founders Ministries website (www.founders.org) and read a bit of that history. My screen name simply hearkens back to the teachings that form the heart of the Biblical message of redemption: the doctrines of grace. My background is in the hard sciences, but I'm most of the way to completing my masters in theology. As I'm not a young man, and as I'm encumbered with the demands of a prior career, I've not had the luxury of working full time on my education. Meanwhile I teach and preach as the Lord provides opportunity. All of this is shifting attention away from our purpose of our forum. Feel free to drop me an email. My address you'll find at the bottom of my profile. In Him, Doc |
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5 | is a good history of the reformation ? | Rom 9:11 | Barean | 197870 | ||
Thank you so much for your reply, however I'm back too square one; as I'm now in the boat I spoke of earlier, Precepts doesn't have reformation roots or branches. Yes, I'm aware of the Baptist roots however, that's a long time gone, I'm afraid. Forgive me my questions. If there is a good history of the reformation you would recommend, I'd be grateful. Didn't want to take you away from the forums purpose. blessing Berean |
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6 | is a good history of the reformation ? | Rom 9:11 | stjohn | 197889 | ||
Hi Berean, Welcome to the forum! I'd like to suggest some reading about the reformers themselves, there are some excellent short biographies at [ www.tlogical.net/biographies.htm ] You may want to start with John Wyclif, "the most prominent of the Reformers before the Reformation" It's helped me in learning about the Reformation to read about those who did the work, reading their stories will actually give you a pretty good education on the Reformation. Anyway , It's a good place to start I think. God bless John |
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