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1 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | Reighnskye | 135640 | ||
1. Wasn't the Old Testament Law of Moses strictly for Jews? Gentiles are not bound by the Old Testament Law of Moses are they? Since I live in the United States, I am not bound by the laws of either China, Egypt, Israel, Sweden or France. Why would I be bound by the Israeli Law of Moses? Granted, some of these laws have been partially replicated within the United States, but there are many differences also. If I am bound by any laws, I am bound to the laws of the United States. What other law holds sway over me? Romans 2 12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. (NAS95) - 2. Further, if we shall assume that some wild and watered-down variation of the Law of Moses holds sway over the church today, should the church not obey every last iota of the law? For example, the full observances of the Sabbath or circumcision? How is it that, if we choose to enforce the Old Testament Law of Moses on the church today, (which probably shouldn't be done in the first place), we leave out certain laws and don't go with all 613 commandents, upon the local congregation? James 2 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. (NAS95) Romans 2 17 But if you bear the name "Jew" and rely upon the Law and boast in God, 18 and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, 21 you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? 24 For "THE NAME OF GOD IS BLASPHEMED AMONG THE GENTILES BECAUSE OF YOU," just as it is written. (NAS95) - 3. Lastly, law itself is designed specifically for lawbreakers and not for the righteous. 1 Timothy 1 8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted. (NAS95) If I am a lawbreaker, then I will bear it's penalties. However, if I am not a lawbreaker, then I am not subject to the penalties of the law. It's indicting power is diffused. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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2 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | DocTrinsograce | 135641 | ||
Theologians in considering this question distinguish between the "moral law" and the "ceremonial law." Christ fulfills completely the ceremonial law in every respect. God's moral law is still -- and always will be -- in effect. By His grace alone, through faith alone, righteousness is imputed to His own through the atonement of Christ. He also provides His children with the ability to live a life of growing sanctification. The God's law is eternal and universal. | ||||||
3 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | Reighnskye | 135645 | ||
Doc, I'm not aware of any moral "law" that exists within our universe, beyond what people write down in law books. I believe that there are divine universal "principles" which are above any of our man-made moral law systems, but these "principles" are not the same thing as "law". I am not a believer that there are any moral laws existent within the higher spiritual realms. I believe that moral laws are only existent in the lower mortal (earthly) or possibly hellish realms. I believe that when divine love and truth are cognized in the higher spiritual realms, that the lesser carnal consciousness, dominated by moral laws pertaining to sins, will fade away. Law consciousness brings sin consciousness, which plummets the soul into death. But Christ came to wash away the consciousness of sin, which acts as a destroyer of the soul. I suggest that there is no moral law in the spiritual realm. Moral law is only fit for sinners and fallen angels. - Heb 10:2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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4 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | DocTrinsograce | 135658 | ||
The moral law include such things as the prohibition from lying, murdering, stealing, coveting, or having any other God other than the Lord. The moral law does not just condemn. It validates the eternal righteousness of God Himself. | ||||||
5 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | Reighnskye | 135663 | ||
Doc, Prohibitions are laws. Laws restrict and condemn, no? Laws concerning lying, murder, stealing, coveting and such. All these make reference to sin. Indeed, the moral law (as demonstrated in the Law of Moses and partially represented in secular government) demonstrates the justice of God upon a sinful and fallen humanity. But moral prohibitions (laws) such as lying, murder, stealing and coveting are not remotely necessary in a spiritual place where there are no sinners. The God of Law (whether it be the Law of Moses, "moral law" or secular law systems) only manifests to a fallen humanity, who live in a morally corrupt society. Conversely, the God of Love is everywhere. PS. I'm not saying that there are multiple "Gods" here. Rather, I'm saying that God appears differently in different realms. God can appear rather ugly to sinners, but sinners cannot see God's truest form. The God of justice and moral law is merely a shadow of the God of love. This veil is removed in Christ. Although legal prohibitions (moral law, secular law, Law of Moses) are necessary to keep the sinful soul in check, no such laws ever apply to a regenerate spirit. From what source shall we find our truest identity? - 1 John 4 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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6 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | DocTrinsograce | 135664 | ||
What is the single attribute of God that is repeated three times for emphasis? There is only one. It is not love. | ||||||
7 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | Reighnskye | 135670 | ||
Doc, And....? I don't quite get your point. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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8 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | DocTrinsograce | 135698 | ||
Greatest attribute of God is not love. It is holiness... if there is no moral law, than how can be no holiness? Furthermore, you forget the words of our Lord Jesus when He said, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10). I've advised you before, and will continue to do so: You need to familiarize yourself with antinomianism. That is the theological position you are taking, although you haven't yet articulated its strongest arguments. |
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9 | Am I under Jewish Law? | Rom 8:4 | Reighnskye | 135712 | ||
Doc, Well, thank you for expounding this time at least. I hope you're not just attempting to amass a large quantity of posts with your overly brief answers. Some people here are focused on actual discussion. And I'm not aware that you've ever mentioned antinomianism to me before. Are you suggesting that I am secretly an antinomianist? Why don't you enlighten me? But please do so with a bit of scripture this time, if you would. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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