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1 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | Emmaus | 129689 | ||
Doc, As with most things here discussed, Christ is the key! In Christ the Spiritual and corporal meet! Christ is THE Sacrament, a sign (physical in the Incarnation) which accomplishes (spiritually) what it signifies by the very physical act. i.e. the saving work of Christ's passion and death. All sacraments and their grace flow from the font of the cross. And we, the Church are now Christ's corporal presence in the world. One of the key differences between Catholics other Christians is that Catholics, because of how they view the Incarnation and its significance, not not feel constrained to separate the spiritual and physical. They do not have an either / or approach to things but rather a both / and approach. Man is not a purely spiritual being like the angels, but an integrated being composed of body and soul. And Christ came to redeem that and restore what the Father created. He took on our body that we might again take on his spirit, so to speak. And so Catholics love "smells and bells" because with them we may worship God with our whole mind and BODY and strength. For us it is a beautiful thing. Christ sanctified the physical and redeemed it by the Incarnation. It is interesting that under the law when a clean thing came into contact withan unclean thing, the clean thing became unclean. But with Christ when an unclean thing came into contact with Him (THE clean thing), the unlean (e.g. lepers) became clean. Of course there is some dispute about whether Christ actually baptized people in John 4:1, but no dispute about his command to baptize in Matt 27:19 where the making of disciples, the Gospel and the baptism arew all tied together in one verse. No offense was taken by you comments. I just think that most people misunderstand exactly what Catholics thing about many things and it is usually reflected in their choice of descriptive or explanatory words and phrases, although not necesarily with any malice. It merely reflects their own frame of reference. Emmaus |
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2 | Mr. Perkins' Website/Chart | Rom 8:30 | DocTrinsograce | 129760 | ||
Thank you for the clarification, Emmaus. I base my belief that Christ did not Baptize anyone on verse 2 of John 4. Verse 2 clarifies verse 1 of that chapter. Lutherans, Anglicans, and Episcopalians take quite similar positions. Although not sui iuris, they have retained much of the doctrines of the Western Catholic Church. I appreciated your comments regarding the cleansing power of Christ. Yet, there is a consistency in both old and new covenants. In both, the means of becoming clean originates with God. This state is necessary not for the sake of God, but for the sake of His people. It protects them so that they are able to enter into the presence of the Holy. But God, alone, provides the means. Thank you, again, Emmaus, for your comments. |
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