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1 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Bill Mc | 15460 | ||
Dear bigdaddy, Good question. To be 'filled with the Spirit' is to be controlled by the Spirit. Our joy comes from knowing that we have been reconciled to God and that, unlike Israel in the OT, we can now, each one of us, draw near to God. God has made each one of us in such a way that, as Pascal say, 'there is a God-shaped vacuum in the heart of man that can only be filled by God the Creator, made known through Jesus Christ.' As we abide in that relationship, we have joy in knowing that He is in us and we are in Him. The Acts 13:52 verse is saying, 'this is how they lived - they were filled with joy (from being in a secure relationship with God) and they were being filled (controlled) by His Spirit. And when we allow ourselves to be controlled by the Spirit, He (not us) produces the fruit. We are only called to bear the fruit, not produce it. Christ said that He was the vine and we are the branches. Do you ever see a branch grunting and groaning to produce an apple? No. The branch's 'job' is to let the life of the vine flow through it. As it does this, the branch 'bears' the fruit. In the same way, we have been 'grafted' into the Vine. As we abide in Him, He will produce the fruit through us. Another good example is a mechanical pencil. It is only doing what it is designed to do when the lead is flowing out of it. We do what we are designed to do 'good works' only as we allow the Spirit and His fruit to flow out of us to others. I hope this helps. So be filled with joy and filled with the Spirit. In Him, Bill Mc |
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2 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15566 | ||
Hi Bill Mc, In the places where Scriptures speak of being "filled with the Holy Spirit" or full of the Spirit and of wisdom" or "full of faith and of the Holy Spirit" or here "full of joy and the Holy Spirit", I put in the lower case the "holy spirit". I do that in all the occcurances. I do not see the word filled as meaning "being controlled". I think that that is popular in the "Four Spiritual Laws" pamphlet as I recall, but I just don't see it. These words of joy, wisdom, faith, speaking the word,etc.are in the lower case and I think that this holy spirit should also be lower case. I'm thinking of some Old Testament passages where it would be confusing to have some words lower case and some capitalized. For instance when the passage speaks of the rock and fortress and refuge. One wouldn't speak of the Rock and fortress and refuge, although we certainly know Him as the Rock. You have written that "He was the vine and we are the branches" and also "we have been grafted into the Vine". I mention this because of my desire to have consistency in the Scriptures. Actually, I don't know if I have decided which it should be anyway, vine or Vine; probably Vine. Which would you say now if you had a choice of interpretation by capitalization? Anyway, every verse that has "filled with the holy spirit" is lower case for my mind and my copy. So in regard to the question here I would say that we are filled with joy and have joy as a fruit of the Spirit. |
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3 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Morant61 | 15569 | ||
Greetings Ray! I don't usually get into the capitalization questions, but I have a vote and a question. 1) Vote: I would vote for "I am the Vine" in John 15, simply because it is an "I am" statement. 2) Question: Is there any place in Scripture where the words "Holy Spirit" do not refer to the 3rd Person of the Trinity? I ask because I would see Acts 14:52 as a reference to Him. If the verse doesn't refer to Him, what would "holy spirit" mean? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15606 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for your vote. I agree with you about the "I am" statements. The "I am" the Bread of life is an interesting study. I go with the good shepherd, however. The thing that holds me back on a decision on the Vine is the idea of the Vine-dresser. The only place that I don't see the Holy Spirit as a Person is when,as I've said, Scriptures talk of the filling of the Holy Spirit or full of the Spirit. There are other times also when it talks of the Spirit when actually it is a spirit or an angel. Acts 13:48 talks about rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord. Verse 49 talks about the word of the Lord. I believe they were filled with Scriptures to share. And they relied on the Lord for the right word of grace, Acts 14:3, but again I don't see any "control" here. We are led by the Spirit but we are to be filled with (the) holy spirit more or less by commandment. The disciples shook off the dust of their feet in protest in Acts 13:51, but perhaps they were still filled with love for one another. What do you think? Look at John 3:34 with me and consider another lower case spirit. "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the spirit without measure." |
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5 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Morant61 | 15607 | ||
Greetings Ray! I can see where "spirit" might be "Spirit or spirit", but I guess my question was, when would "Holy Spirit" be "holy spirit"? I don't know of any verse where that would be the case, but I may be forgetting some. Concerning John 3:34, I checked Leon Morris's very large commentary on John. Every possible interpretation that he listed concerning this verse saw "spirit" as a reference to the Holy Spirit. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | difference. filling of joy and fruit joy | Rom 8:14 | Ray | 15613 | ||
Hi Tim, The places where I see "holy spirit" is in regard for the "filling". We know that the Greek gives no help for capitalization and it is up to us to interpret. For this reason I go to the translations that capitalize Deity for their interpretation. I believe that the possibility of misinterpretation is there both ways, lower and upper case. My interpretation of John 3:34 came from the only book that I studied besides the Scriptures in various translations. (As far as my interpretive study is concerned). It was written by a man named Bultema but I haven't seen it in my library for years; I misplaced it. I'll try and find it for you. May I suggest that John 4:10 would be a good verse for comparison in that the spirit and the living water can be understood as the word of God. Also, you can consider whether John 4:10 should be "it" or John 6:33 should be "that". NASB |
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