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1 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 6363 | ||
You mean to tell me you don't think it's a sin to believe something that is contrary to the Word of God? I've never, ever heard such a liberal position. What if somebody said they believed it was OK to be an alcholic? What if somebody doesn't believe in the virgin birth? Look, if something is not in line with Scripture, it is wrong. When you don't line up with God, it's a sin. We all have things, I'm sure, that we are wrong about and we need to study to get straight. Really, if you don't think it's wrong to be "wrong", why even study and worry about it? |
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2 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | EdB | 6398 | ||
inHzsvc, I'm not trying to answer for JVH0212, but I think you have missed a point. Sin is open rebellion to God. In this debate there is as much scriptural support for the point as there is for the counter point. When one or both points are one day shown by God to be wrong, I believe the guilt will be in, human misunderstanding or presumption rather than sin. | ||||||
3 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 6419 | ||
I hate to disagree, but, Scripture only supports one truth. It CANNOT support to opposing viewpoints. Now, as you said, we might both be wrong--I agree. But, if we misinterpret Scripture and misapply it, we are in opposition to God's Word and therefore, to God. That is sin. Is any religion that makes man the author of his salvation sin when Scripture says that Jesus is the "author and finisher of our faith?"(Heb. 12:2). I'd have to say it is because it takes away from God's glory. If I'm still missing the point, I apologize. But, God didn't bless me with a good mind. But, I thank Him for the gift of faith (Eph. 2:8,9) that He has given me. God bless you and yours. |
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4 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | EdB | 6424 | ||
Please explain to me how honest Godly men of both persuasions can for over 500 years debate these points with no conclusion? How can there be both ultra and moderate and liberal on both sides? For each point, each text one sides presents there is and equal but opposing scripture. It is not as cut and dried as you make it. I think the problem is no one listens to what the others say. I do not for one moment believe I or any other man short of Jesus Christ is the author of my salvation. I do not believe any man can come to Salvation without the leading or unction of the Holy Spirit. I do not believe man can be saved by works or anything other than grace. However I do not believe in election as defined by Calvin. |
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5 | Christ dying only for elect? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 6428 | ||
Well, I only use "Calvinism" as a term. I do not necessarily agree with Calvin on everything, nor, do I think he was right about everything. I don't see how you can say that men have debated without coming to a conclusion. I have come to the conclusion that the Doctrines of Grace are true--that Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Particular Redemption, Effectual Calling, and Eternal Security are true. They are Scriptural. There is no Scripture, therefore, that goes against them because the Scripture doesn't contradict itself. Now, if other people disagree, that doesn't mean that the conclusion that I came to is wrong. It could mean that they are wrong and the Scripture is right. I will say this, if you believe what you said above, you must be more of a Calvinist than an Arminian because the Arminian doesn't believe the things you said you did. Remember, the definition of "grace" is "unmerited favor." Even when we deserved what the world deserves, God saved us without any merit on our part. God bless, and, thanks for disagreeing, agreeably. |
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6 | Can you see my position? | Rom 5:6 | EdB | 6434 | ||
See here is the problem you said you read scripture and it says your right. I say you read scripture wrong. Example 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. I see "all" and to me "all" means all. You say however that "all" only means the ones that God elected. Now we can debate this scripture from here until tomorrow and I will probably continue to see all will see only those called. Who is wrong? If your in my camp you are. If your in your camp I am. Does that mean one of us is in sin. I think not that means one of us sees a passage different. It really doesn't change anything as far as the work of the cross. It just makes us think the other can't read. |
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7 | Can you see my position? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 6446 | ||
Surely you can read this passage and see that the all is referring back to the "us" (KJV). "The LORD is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but, is longsuffering to USWARD, not willing that any (of the USWARD--INHZSVC) should persish" | ||||||
8 | Can you see my position? | Rom 5:6 | EdB | 6452 | ||
First Us-ward is not a word. If it was I can find no definition so I have no idea in the world what it means. If your going to tell me it means 'saved people', then I must say prove it. Most reliable translations has 'you' in it's place. Since this is the Lockman forum let's for the sake of unity use the NASB which reads "The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance." I read "you" as being the reader of this scripture. And being a reader of the scripture does not make one saved. If it was just talking about the saved and God saved everyone why would He have to have patience? All God would have to do is make everyone saved. No waiting required. An interesting side bar to this discussion is the New Living Translation of this verse, “The Lord isn't really being slow about his promise to return, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to perish, so he is giving more time for everyone to repent.” Notice the word “everyone”. |
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9 | Can you see my position? | Rom 5:6 | inHzsvc | 6454 | ||
No, thanks. I'll stick to the Authorized version. | ||||||
10 | Can you see my position? | Rom 5:6 | EdB | 6457 | ||
Okay, what does the word mean and no fair looking at JVH0212's answer. And if you do who is 'us'? Us the readers or us the saved reading this passage? | ||||||