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1 | Literally or hyperbole? | Rom 5:12 | restate | 191051 | ||
Hey BradK, I see that you take Psalm 51:5 literally. Would you do the same for the 8th. verse?: "Let me hear joy and gladness;let the bones you have crushed rejoice. Psalm 51:8. If this is also to be taken literally, which of David's physical bones had God crushed? The bible is replete with hyperboles like these that are meant to be taken in the spirit and emotion in which they were written. David's anguished cry is probably either a deliberate and obvious exaggeration emphasizing his great conviction of his sin or his supposition that because he had become so grievous a sinner, he must have been conceived that way. If the 5th verse is to be taken literally, it must refer to the fact that David's mother was a human adult and therefore "in sin" like anyone of accountable age, all of whom have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (...in sin did my mother conceive...). Ephesians 2:3 was written to us adult sinners saved by grace, whose natures have been set on fire by our own actions and tongues, which are set on fire by hell, not by the genes and chromosomes passed on by procreation. We are fearfully and wonderfully made and formed in the belly by God with a good and upright nature in his image and likeness. But even in the womb, temptation begins to misshape the innocent human psyche with fear and selfish impulses from demonic suggestion and sounds and emotions coming through the womb wall. So that in time, depravity becomes natural, and the natural man cannot receive the things of God.... So we become the children of wrath by incurring a second nature, as we are corrupted by voluntarily yielding to temptation, just as our first forbears did in the garden. Let's exhonorate God of the charge that he is, has been and will continue to, create billions and billions of babies with wicked and sinful natures at enmity with himself, at their very inception. Thanks for the reference to Jonathan Edwards' treatise. I'll look that up. Restate |
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2 | Literally or hyperbole? | Rom 5:12 | DocTrinsograce | 191052 | ||
Hi, Restate... If you will permit me, I will respond until we hear from Brad. He may well have a superior response, but I don't think he'll take exception to my comments. I'm not sure where to start... your various phrases "accountable age," "by God with a good and upright nature in his image and likeness," "incurring a second nature," "exhonorate God of the charge..." (sic) etc. Are rooted in the rather unique heterodoxy of Charles Finney. Ours is a forum rooted in the doctrine of sola Scriptura. These ideas are alien to what God has revealed in His Word. Perhaps they would be better suited to a forum focusing on things like auto-soteriology or moral perfectionism. Note that sola Scriptura is more than just using Biblical phrases. It involves a sound exegesis of the entire Word of God as it pertains to any given topic in Scripture. The Word does not speak of the fallen nature of man as a matter of error or illness. In the former case it could be corrected by a teacher. In the latter case it could be corrected by a physician. Rather, Adam's sin -- as the federal head of the human race -- was so heinous that it killed every single one of his descendants! Hence, we do not need a tutor or a doctor for our salvation, we need the miraculous intervention of God Himself. The old divines from my own confession, summarized the teaching of Scripture as follows: "Our first parents, by this sin, fell from their original righteousness and communion with God, and we in them whereby death came upon all: all becoming dead in sin, and wholly defiled in all the faculties and parts of soul and body. (Romans 3:23; 5:12, etc; Titus 1:15; Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-19) "They being the root, and by God's appointment, standing in the room and stead of all mankind, the guilt of the sin was imputed, and corrupted nature conveyed, to all their posterity descending from them by ordinary generation, being now conceived in sin, and by nature children of wrath, the servants of sin, the subjects of death, and all other miseries, spiritual, temporal, and eternal, unless the Lord Jesus set them free. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 45, 49; Psalms 51:5; Job 14:4; Ephesians 2:3; Romans 6:20; 5:12; Hebrews 2:14, 15; 1 Thessalonians 1:10)" --1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (chapter 6, paragraphs 2 and 3) In Him, Doc |
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