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1 | By What Law | Rom 3:23 | DocTrinsograce | 217318 | ||
Dear Vintage, The area of theology that deals with sin is called hamartiology. Wayne Grudem articulates a very good definition: Sin is any failure to conform to the moral law of God in act, attitude, or nature. The first three chapters of Romans deals with the universality of sin. In a nutshell: the first chapter deals with the common man (Gentiles), the second deals with the moral man, and the third deals with the Jew. Sin is not simply a matter of imputation. I recall Jonathan Edwards saying something to the effect that the sin nature is like an infinite black plane (in a geometric sense). It covers everything, but has no thickness. As we deviate from the divine standard, we add thickness to the plane. It becomes infinitely heavy. Sin involves the law, certainly -- you can see that in the use of the word lawlessness. However, there are many other words that are used to describe sin. The word sin itself means to have missed the mark. Look, for example, at the words wickedness, iniquity, transgressions, uncleaness, errors, crookedness, etc. It is true that an aspect of sin is a forensic matter. However, it is also a matter of relationship, self worship, rebellious independence, etc. Since you are unwilling to read a book on sound hermeneutics, perhaps I can recommend to you the following site: http://www.faithbibleonline.net/BasicChristianDoctrine/TOC.htm In the context of your current question, see chapter 24 (Sin). One last thing, please note that the sin of the Jew is not lessened because he has the Law, rather it worsens his lot -- the point that Paul was making in the passage you cited. "Every crime or fault deserves a greater or less punishment, in proportion as the crime itself is greater or less. The faulty nature of anything is the formal ground and reason of its desert of punishment; and therefore the more anything hath of this nature, the more punishment it deserves. And therefore the terribleness of the degree of punishment, let it be never so terrible, is no argument against the justice of it, if the proportion does but hold. ... A crime is more or less heinous, according as we are under greater or less obligations to the contrary. So the faultiness of one being hating another, is in proportion to his obligation to love him. And therefore if there be any Being that we are under infinite obligations to love, and honour, and obey, the contrary to wards Him must be infinitely faulty. Our obligation to love, honour, and obey any being, is in proportion to his loveliness, honourableness, and authority; for that is the very meaning of the words. When we say anyone is very lovely, it is the same as to say, that he is one very much to be loved." --Jonathan Edwards In Him, Doc |
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2 | By What Law | Rom 3:23 | rakpak | 217321 | ||
Thought I would chime in Doc, if its ok? Jesus himself is also a reliable source, as he taught the 10 commanments and the correct way to keep them. | ||||||
3 | By What Law | Rom 3:23 | DocTrinsograce | 217323 | ||
Dear RakPak, There is not the teaching of Jesus over against which there is all the lesser Scriptures. The church is built on what is called the kirigma -- the teachings of Christ and the apostles. The words of the epistles, are every bit as authoritative as the words of Jesus. Sola Scriptura does not place a higher value on the "red letter words" (2 Timothy 3:16). In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John 1:1-4, 14 NASB) God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. (Hebrews 1:1-2 NASB) This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles. (2 Peter 3:1-2 NASB) I guess you did not look at the website I recommended to Vintage. After all I have said to you, do you really think I would recommend lessons on basic Christian doctrine that did not fully derive their authority from the Word? Oh my. Matthew 13:14-15 seems more real to me every day. Regarding the Decalogue, I still commend you to the books of Galatians and Hebrews, that place the Mosaic Law and the redeemed in proper perspective. In Him, Doc From Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan: Faithful: But good Brother hear me out. So soon as the man overtook me, he was but a word and a blow, for down he knocked me, and laid me for dead. But when I was a little come to myself again, I asked him wherefore he served me so? He said, Because of my secret inclining to Adam the First: and with that he struck me another deadly blow on the breast, and beat me down backward, so I lay at his foot as dead as before. So when I came to myself again I cried him mercy; but he said, I know not how to shew mercy; and with that knocked me down again. He had doubtless made an end of me, but that one came by, and bid him forbear? Christian: Who was that that bid him forbear? Faithful: I did not know him at first, but as he went by, I perceived the holes in his hands and in his side; then I concluded that he was our Lord. So I went up the Hill. Christian: That man that overtook you was Moses: He spareth none, neither knoweth he how to shew mercy to those that transgress his Law. |
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4 | By What Law | Rom 3:23 | rakpak | 217324 | ||
Yes Doc, i have read Hebrews and Galations a few times. Sola Scriptura does include all of scripture I assume. And as I have said before, I can find all 10 commandments alive and well in the OT as well the NT. Who can say the the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: have no meaning today, taking care of the poor, orhans, widows, feeding the stranger, love your neighbor as yourself, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Can we say these are not for today since they are all part of "Mosaic Law". | ||||||