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1 | To Prove Rapture in Holy Bible | Rom 11:25 | iamgr8ful2b1 | 167717 | ||
What text in the bible convince us that the taking up of the saints (some call it "rapture") will occur before the Great Tribulation? | ||||||
2 | To Prove Rapture in Holy Bible | Rom 11:25 | mark d seyler | 167718 | ||
Hi grateful, It's hard to pick just one verse, since the teaching of the rapture is spread throughout Scripture, but if I were to pick one, it would be Romans 11:25. We know that God works in different ways at different times. Salvation comes by grace through faith. In the Old Covenant this happened through the sacrificial system. Israel was God's example to the world. In the New Covenant salvation comes through believing in the Name of Jesus Christ, and the church is God's example. Hebrews 1:1 “In many ways and in various ways of old, God spoke to the fathers in the prophets; in these last days He spoke to us in the Son.” LITV The outline of Revelation in 1:19, “Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things”, is deciphered by comparing to 4:1 “After these things I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things.” In 1:19, “what things you saw,” can only be the vision of our risen Lord walking in the midst of the lampstands, because that was all that John had yet seen. As for the “things which are”, Jesus procedes to tell John about the seven (complete) churches, and dictates letters to each one. That brings us to 4:1, “after these things” John was invited into heaven to see what must happen “after these things”. The next vision John saw was of what happens after the contents of the last vision John saw. The letters to the churches were described as the “things which are” before Jesus dictated them. John remains outside of the content of his visions, and so these statements are being made defining the content. The content of the vision described as “the things which are” is Jesus dictating the seven letters to the seven churches. If the “and what things are about to occur after these things.” were the actual visions he saw, the sentence becomes a self-evident, meaningless expression: “Next I saw what I saw next.” Therefore, the second “meta tauta” must refer to the content of the subsequent visions. What John saw after 4:1 happens after what he saw before 4:1. Before 4:1, John prophesied the future history of the church, starting with the church contemporary to John, until the final apostate church is rejected by Jesus for being lukewarm. With the end of Revelation chapter 3, the church age is over. What in fact ends the church age? Romans 11:25 tells us “For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be wise within yourselves, that hardness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations (gentiles) comes in;” When the last gentile believer to come to Christ in the church age “comes in”, that will be the fullness of the gentiles. In the parable of the vineyard in Matthew 21, the owner of the vineyard gives the vineyard to others when the tenants reject His Son, and refuse to yield fruit to the owner. As Paul explains in Romans 11, the hardening of Isreal is the salvation of the gentiles as God casts out Isreal to raise up the church as a bride for His Son. When the fullness of the gentiles is come in, God turns back to Isreal, for the seventieth week. The church is the parenthesis between Daniel 9:26 and 27. In Romans 11:25, there is no gap between the ending of the hardness of Israel and the fullness of the gentiles coming in. Consider Daniel 9:26-27 “And after sixty two weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself. And the people of a coming ruler shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end shall be with the flood, and ruins are determined, and war shall be until the end. And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week. And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a corner of the altar will be abominations that desolate, even until the end. And that which was decreed shall pour out on the desolator.” This underlined portion describes what happens after the end of the 69th week and before the 70th week. We know there is a gap here because the text supports that. In Romans 11, there is a smooth transition from one state to the next. Before the fullness of the gentiles is come in, there is hardness in part to Israel. After the fullness of the gentiles is come in, the hardness is gone. One moment the focus is the church, the next moment the focus is Israel. The last gentile believer of the church age converts, and the 70th week begins. Please feel free to email me directly for more information, or simply search the archives, as this has been discussed a lot. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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