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1 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | Tamara Brewington | 204147 | ||
Once again I tried to include a scripture up in the appropriate boxes before writing this post, it won't let me do it. This is a question about whether or not wisdom from Jesus, like the parables found in Mathew, and the Sermon on the Mount has the power to salvically draw people to a saving faith in Christ. I am posting this for the second time because no one addressed the question in light of the scriptures which I did include, but gave me good advice and opinions, and because I got complaints that my posts were not concise and were too long. I looked up the Lockman Foundation’s guidelines and it said not to use brevity because it can be confusing and when you go to post a question it says to include all the details of your question, and there is a limit to how many characters you can type, if you exceed the limit it tells you to shorten by a certain amount of characters. There is no bottom line on this to go to; it is not a simple question. 1)On context, I came across a situation in which I was evangelizing with someone. This guy was asking passers by if they would like to discuss The Moral Argument, The Cosmological Argument, The Anthropological Argument, The Teleological Argument. Passers by were presented with an argument for that God exists as The Absolute Moral Law Giver, The Uncaused Cause, The Creator of Man in His Image, The Intelligent Maker of Creation. Then this guy would point out the fatal flaw in the rational of the passer by through setting an intellectual trap by showing them how their view was hypocritical, lacked rationality or otherwise did not measure up to the logic and wisdom of what he had presented as his argument. After pointing out their fatal flaw he would then try to get them to admit God existed, if he could get them to do that, then and only then would he give them the gospel message of Christ's atoning death. 2)On context, He invited me to a get together of believers and nonbelievers to hear a bit of Jesus wisdom from the gospels. The scripture was Mathew 7:1-5. I sat there for two hours while we discussed the elements of the text, like what is a log in your eye and what is a measure of judgment. The unbelievers were never given the gospel message of Christ's atoning death. 3)On context, I confronted this guy and asked why he didn't just give them the message that could save and that it bothered me that we were being unequally yoked with unbelievers studying scripture that has the power to equip the saved with wisdom, but which does not have the information necessary to save. He said the wisdom of Jesus has the power to draw people salvifically to God and that he was doing pre-evangelism. He said there is a mandate to use wisdom to evangelize. He also said Jesus was doing pre-evangelism by humbling or shaming and clarifying the law and the His miracles – these are all wisdom. 4)On context, the apostles did not use the words of Jesus wisdom to evangelize that I can see. In Acts it speaks of Peter and Paul using wisdom while they preached about Christ crucified as the way to salvation and to show from the OT that Jesus is God. 5)On context, He accused me of hiding behind the gospel and being unwilling to deal intellectually with people who can respond to rational, logical wisdom in order to get saved and that my methods of giving people the scriptures and the message of Christ's atonement was running away from the world. 6)The scriptures for my point that the gospel message we and the apostles preach is Christ crucified, I Corinthians 2:1-8, 1:18-31, Colossians 2:2-10, Acts 22:29-36, Acts 3:12-19, Acts 4:2, Acts 10:34-43. 7)The scriptures for his point that the wisdom of Jesus has the power to draw people salvifically to a saving faith in God, Mathew 12:25-28, II Corinthians 10:4, 5, John 20:30, 31, I kings 3:28, II Timothy 3:14, 15. 8)Question; does the wisdom that comes from the parables and the Sermon on the Mount by itself have the power to draw people salvically to a saving faith in God? 9)Question; is studying together with unbelievers without giving them the gospel being unequally yoked in ministry? |
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2 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | remorse2 | 204148 | ||
Faith comes by hearing the word of Christ. Faith is acepting Jesus' death on the cross Word of Christ is Scripture In other words People come to Christ because they hear Scripture 2Tim 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work In my opinion the parables, Sermon on the Mount, are adequate and suitable for certain situations. Personally I don't care what scripture you use just use scripture. You use whatever scripture you need to use at the time. Mind you some scripture is more applicable than others. So you will need to use sound judgment. In review The answer to question one is Yes Hope that helped. |
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3 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | Tamara Brewington | 204167 | ||
So the Word of Christ is scriputre, OK got that. 1)II Timothy 3:17,17 is talking about all scriputre being profitable to the man of God, to the saved... 2)Not to the unbeliever, to them it's foolishness I Corinthians 1:18. I agree we need to use sound judgment in choosing a scripture to evangelize. 3)I agree that if you use a scripture and then lead into the message of crucifixion then any scripture can be used, but this guy was not doing that, which I specified in my context. 4)That is why I asked can the wisdom of Jesus alone from the Parables or the Sermon on the Mount have the power to draw people salvifically to Christ? God Bless, Tamara |
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4 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | stjohn | 204174 | ||
Dear Tamara: No one knows what God is doing or has done in the heart of any individual. Nobody should judge who should hear whatever Scriptures God may use to draw someone to Him. "just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love" Eph 1:4 If you disagree with someone's methods, then simply and humbly do what you believe the Scriptures are telling you. Without being confrontational! There is never profit in strife! Be a beacon my dear, try to show the unbelievers that Christians have a spirit of unity, not division. If you cannot, or will not do that, or you are unable to do that, then simply remove yourself from the situation. We do not honor God by having a confrontational attitude toward the teacher! Shalom and God bless John |
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5 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | Tamara Brewington | 204178 | ||
Dear John, 1)Mathew 18:15 says If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. Sinning is simply missing the mark, when we don't give the lost the saving message of the Gospel when we are teaching them the scriptures we are missing the mark. All I was doing was pointing out to him this point, not having a confrontational attitude toward my techer. This teacher and I had a running open conversation about this via email for two solid weeks in the spirit opennes and of getting at the truth. This is what I meant by confronting him, I did it in a gentle manner, I started by asking him some questions, not blasting him out of the water. 2)The ubelievers heard the parables because Jesus intended that their ears and eyes whould remain closed because they rejected the messenger, He told the disciples that the parables were for them to understand the msyteries. 3)The Sermon on the Mount is one example of Jesus preaching about the kingdom having come in their midst which was the way people were getting saved then, by repenting of their sins and believing that Jesus was God. 4)Revelation of God and Christ is progressive, from the OT to the NT and from when Jesus was walking around preaching repentance and the kingdom is come to Pentecost after which the disciples stopped preaching repentance and the kingdom is come and started preaching repentance and the crucufixion of Christ. Which should be the gospel we preach to get people saved? 5)I have noticed that I am seen in here at least as being confrontational if I am willing to give an answer for the hope that lies within me, for lack of a better way of stating it. Why is that? 6)When I was gathered with the unbelievers I went along with the program without pointing out anything, or segueing into the gospel message, I waited until we were in private. 7)Glad you are still willing to communicate, God Bless, Tamara |
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6 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | stjohn | 204181 | ||
Well, good for you! Keep up the good work, it looks like the Gosole is in good hands. :-) | ||||||