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1 | Understanding TULIP | John 2:9 | NewPilgrim | 178976 | ||
I'm currently studying the calvinistic "TULIP" theology and I would appreciate comments on my summation, tulip theology as I understand it. Would you consider the following summations as accurate? Total depravity Man in his unsaved, fallen state is fit only for condemnatin and has no desire for God or the things of God. Being totally wicked, he does not have the ability to desire God. Unconditional election God chooses the elect (that is those who will be saved) uninfluenced by anything other than his own will. Limited atonement The blood shed by Christ was shed for the elect (those who will be saved) and none other Irresistable Grace When approached by God, no man is able to reject the salvation he offers. This is a result of Gods direct intervention, by Gods own will, changing the "heart" or "nature" of the fallen man who is unable to desire God, to the heart of one who does desire God Perseverance of the saints God will uphold and maintain the salvation of his elect, the saints, up to and for the duration of Judgement day. That is, once saved through faith in Christ they will not face eternal condemnation. Any comments greatly appreciated :) |
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2 | Understanding TULIP | John 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 178977 | ||
Dear NewPilgrim, Looks like a pretty good summation of the response to the Remonstrants at the Council of Dort. By the way, Calvin, himself, never articulated these points in this specific fashion. If you would like, drop me an email, and I'll send you a copy of a paper I wrote a few years back: an introduction to Calvinism. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Understanding TULIP | John 2:9 | NewPilgrim | 179018 | ||
Going on from there then, is it not shocking to consider that regardless of the motive of salvation, that God is one who changes the will of men, against their will, and in saving them enters into them? | ||||||
4 | Understanding TULIP | John 2:9 | DocTrinsograce | 179019 | ||
Dear NewPilgrim, Not shocking at all... but incredibly merciful... for without such action on God's part none would be saved. As Calvin put it, "The will is not destroyed but rather repaired by grace." Think of it as divine enablement, rather than divine coercion. A proper understanding of these doctrines produces a great gratitude and humility toward our Sovereign and Holy Lord. Let's take this discussion offline, please. It is one that has proven to be divisive in the forum's history, particularly in those who start with a libertarian presuppositions. As I suggested before, please contact me directly via email. Thank you! In Him, Doc |
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