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1 | John21:1-14 , Luke 5:1-11 | John 21:1 | Just Read Mark | 83834 | ||
Catch of Fish. I think these stories intentionally echo each other. In Luke, Jesus is calling the disciples. This miracle calls them into the life of following Jesus. The miracle in John happens after the resurrection. The disciples are still unsure of how to proceed -- they have no direction since the crucifixion. They have returned to their old lives of fishing in Galilee. But Jesus calls them again, echoing the way he called them in the first place. This is, then, a second miracle that intentionally recalls the details of the first one. The resurrection appearances often echo things Jesus did during his ministry -- for example, he is recognized by how he breaks the bread at Emmaus. (Luke 24). Also -- the element of "calling" in this John text is strengthened by what follows: Peter is forgiven for his betrayal, and is called to build the church. In my reading of the gospels, I always find that the miracles function at a symbolic level. Not to say that Jesus didn't perform the miracles, but rather that Jesus is so concerned with meaning that his miracles provide symbolic views of God's character. Thus, the feeding of the masses reflects the feast of heaven... the healing of the blind man in John's gospel becomes a teaching opportunity about spiritual blindness, and so on. The miraculous catch of fish point to the abundance and effectiveness in serving God. Does that make sense? What do you think? |
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2 | John21:1-14 , Luke 5:1-11 | John 21:1 | Mommapbs | 84053 | ||
Greetings JRM! Please consider your statement: "Peter is forgiven for his betrayal, and is called to build the church." Where does Jesus specifically forgive Peter's betrayal? Since Christ died for all, why would Peter be singled out? Isn't the point of Jesus' dialogue with Peter one of commissioning and encouragement? (this of course is not to say that forgiveness is not encouraging!) Secondly, without catching too much flak - I might suggest that just as you pointed out the symbolic aspect of miracles, building the church on "Peter" might also be seen in the same manner. Post #6159 observes that the church would be built upon the ROCK - the revelation of WHO Jesus is! Please read the note posted by Kalos which I have copied here: Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "There is in the Greek a play upon the words, "thou art Peter [petros -- literally 'a little rock'], and upon this rock [Petra] I will build my church." He does not promise to build His church upon Peter, but upon Himself, as Peter is careful to tell us (1 Peter 2:4-9)." Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Matthew 16". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/) BTW, thank you for completing a profile! As an artist, can we compare man's relationship with God and art history? In your opinion, which period reflects the greatest awareness of our spiritual relationship with Jehovah? Just wondering about these things . . . Blessings to you and welcome ! mommapbs |
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3 | John21:1-14 , Luke 5:1-11 | John 21:1 | Just Read Mark | 84064 | ||
"Peter, do you love me?" Hello Mommapbs -- thanks for your note. I have thought about the Christ's dialogue with Peter a fair bit. I still think that forgiveness is part of it. Of course, we are all forgiven when we turn to Jesus, as you say. But sometimes it is hard for us to accept it, to truely take on the freedom. God does some work - different for each of us - to draw us into wholeness. I guess the main reason I see it as forgiveness is the threefold repetition. It seems like an unsaid acknowledgement of Peter's threefold denial. Peter, I think, was crushed by his denial of Jesus. Now, the risen Jesus is saying "I know what you did, and I still want you to feed my sheep." While the gospels only show Peter receiving this treatment, I think it relates to all of us. Mommapbs -- as for your comments about "The Rock," I do agree. Peter was called the rock because he professed Christ as the Messiah --- and it is that proclaimation that is at the heart of the church. Still, Peter is a significant figure at the beginning of Acts, so it works both ways. |
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4 | John21:1-14 , Luke 5:1-11 | John 21:1 | Mommapbs | 84182 | ||
Greetings JRM! You wrote, "Still, Peter is a significant figure at the beginning of Acts, so it works both ways." From my perspective it does not work both ways. One way, the focus is on Christ, and WHO HE IS - the other way, the focus is on what a man did (Peter's confession does not obtain salvation for anyone but Peter - nor does this build the Church or churches!) Jesus said, "apart from Me you can do nothing" John 15:5 . . . I think we all would do well to really let that sink in and take root in our souls! I suspect that more "good" has been done in the name of the Church than in the Name of Christ. Just some thoughts. mommapbs |
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