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1 | God's name or a title? | John 1:1 | bstudent | 120963 | ||
Hi Mary01: If you're interested, here's my response to Sir Pent's inquiry: Eph 4:6: “One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.” This is what I believe. This one God and Father is Jehovah as spoken of at Psalm 83:18: “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” Luke 22:42 "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me (Jesus); yet not My will, but Yours be done." Jesus said at Matt 7: 21: “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” He certainly set the example in putting his own will aside to do that of his Father. But this verse proves that Jesus had his own will as all of God’s intelligent creatures do, and it was his choice to do God’s will rather than his own. This verse does not support a trinity, but rather refutes it. John 1:1 is a matter of translation, but the one that agrees with the context while not violating the original Greek conveys the godlike or divine nature of the Word, Jesus Christ. (I can provide objective support for such translation if desired.) John 1:18; 5:37; 6:46; 1 John 4:12 all harmonize with Exodus 33:20: “For there shall no man see me, and live.” Obviously, John did not believe, nor did he expect his readers to believe that Jesus was God since they were still alive after seeing him. John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are one." Paul used this same expression at 1 Cor 3:8 in connection with Apollos and his ministries: “Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one.” This did not mean the same person, but unity or oneness in purpose. At John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. 2 Cor 5:18 "Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation". I believe this wholeheartedly, but fail to see any relevance to trinity doctrine. Quite the contrary, of necessity it supports the truth that Jesus cannot be God and at the same time the “mediator between God and man.” (1 Tim 2:5) As to why lying to the holy spirit is equated to lying to God as inferred from Acts 5:3,4 and 1 Cor 2:10,11, this is because it is the same. The correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to that spirit. With this viewpoint, it is logical to conclude that the holy spirit is the active force of God. It is not a person but is a powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will. (Ps. 104:30; 2 Pet. 1:21; Acts 4:31) To resist or oppose its influence is tantamount to sinning against the One from whom it issues. Jesus said: “Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” (Matt 12:31,32) This can only be the case if Jesus is not God. I cited Psalm 83:18 above that calls Jehovah “the most high.” At Luke 1:32, the angel Gabriel declares to Mary: “He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.” Jesus is the son of “the Highest.” Thus he himself confesses: “My Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28) As the earliest Christians understood of their lord and savior Christ Jesus, he is the beloved, only-begotten, first created son of the only true God (John 17:3)through whom he created everything else. He has always been and will continue to be subject to his Father after he has completely accomplished his Father’s will of reaffirming God’s universal sovereignty by means of the Messianic Kingdom. “And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.” (1Cor 15:24-28) |
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2 | God's name or a title? | John 1:1 | Sir Pent | 120981 | ||
Disagreement.......................................................... Hi BStudent, There is too much in your last post to reply to all of it individually. But I will summarize by saying that your interpretation of the Bible goes against what is widely considered a correct Christian understanding of it. Your background in the Jehovah's Witness has significantly biased your interpretation, and is the reason for the mental gymnastics used to explain why these verses don't mean what they say they mean. I will point out the same thing that I have told others on this subject. God sent the Bible to be His message to mankind. He has protected it's accuracy through the years, copies, and translations. He would not have allowed it to be corrupted to the extent that people would have been decieved into thinking Jesus was God. If the Bible says that "the Word (Jesus) was God" then that is exactly what God meant. Attempting to explain it away by looking at Greek is only trying to confuse people. Put your trust in your Bible, not in your brain, or in the brains of the Jehovah's Witness teachers who are leading you into error. |
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3 | God's name or a title? | John 1:1 | bstudent | 121045 | ||
I thought I responded to your solicitation of what these verses mean to a non-trinitarian. If you can't counter with anything but opinion and prejudiced ridicule, I have to wonder why. You're correct to say God would never allow his inspired word to be corrupted, but that doesn't mean that God will not allow Satan to use people to twist (2 Peter 3:16)its clear meaning in order to cause our worship to fall short of his righteous requirements. Just because something is "widely considered" true not only doesn't make it so, but should cause one to question it all the moreso in light of Jesus remarks at Matt 7:13,21: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." He said this to Jews that believed they worshiped Jehovah acceptably. Its application today is to those who would call themselves "Christian." I've seen a lot of "mental gymnastics" among the "once-saved, always-saved," "pre-tribulation raptured" individuals on this site. You have to twist hundreds of passages to arrive at such false doctrine. As for looking at Greek confusing people - that's what I say too. Arguing about such things turns off those, like me, that have no desire to learn ancient languages to know God - nor should they have to. (Matt 11:25) People on this Forum have criticized the translators of the NWT as having no expertise in the original Bible languages. I'm glad to hear you feel the context and harmony of the entire Bible should be enough for even "babes" to see the truth. What you don't know about Jehovah and his witnesses (Isaiah 43:10-12) is everything. I'm not on the Forum to debate, but to share the truth with those searching for it. If you're content, just let someone not so content comment to my posts in the future and I'll do the same with your's. Sincerely. |
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