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1 | How do I abide in His love? | John 15:10 | Beja | 226190 | ||
To the thread as a whole, I highly encourage the orginal poster to not contact Philip and to leave their discourse open on the forum so that any errors may be rebuked. This is for our safety that we might not be taught false doctrine. I warn you, that what Philip is teaching is false. However, there is a kernal of truth to it, that makes it having a momentary seeming of truth. But in the same fashion there is a mixture of heresy that can cause it to be fatal. What Philip is correct about is that a Christian should never under any circumstances make peace with sin. At no point should we look at any particular sin and accept its presence in our lives because "we are all sinners." No, fight every manifistation of sin in your life all the time with the strength of God working in you and through you through His Holy Spirit. Now that being said, the dangerous error that Philip teaches is that a saved individual never sins. This is a very dangerous error. Part of the difficulty of correcting Philip however, is that he so quickly strings wrongly understood verses together that it would be near impossible in this venue to correct him on every mistaken verse he is using. So I shall choose one that he himself listed and show how he is in error concerning that verse, and then if he would like to slow down and discuss any single particular verse of his choosing in more detail, I will be happy to. He cited 2 peter 1:10. Now I affirm that a Christian is doing and growing in the things listed in 2 Peter chapter 1. However, the error Philip teaches is perfection. Is that how Peter sees what he is saying? Let us look at just two verses previous. 2 Peter 1:8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Now look at what Peter says, if you are INCREASING. That is what describes a christian. But if they are increasing then they can not yet be perfect! Peter in verse eight clearly does NOT have in mind Christians being already perfect in all these attributes. Now how then does Philip pass off Peter, just two verses later, as demanding perfection when he states, "for if you do these things, ye shall never fall"? He has taken Peter out of context and used it to promote something that was nowhere near what Peter was intending to say. And such he does with a great many verses, all of which a dilligent student can show to be error. Peter meant (as he clearly said!) that as we do and grow and strive to mature in these things we will be fruitful Christians! Now, I will state how dangerous his error is. This false doctrine forces one into either one of two errors. The first, is that in order to believe one is saved they must believe that they are sinless. However what does scripture say of the man who believes they have no sin? 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Now this is without a doubt a present tense statement. A person that is unaware of their own sin is devoid of truth! And we should not be surprised since it is the job of the Holy SPirit to convict and make aware of sin. In order than to fall into this lie, we must quench all convictions of the Holy Spirit which strives to point out our falts for our ongoing sanctification. However, perhaps one would argue that this verse speaks of those who are yet to receive any knowledge of Christ, as if John were not here speaking of those who profess to know Christ. But this is easily seen to be mistaken as well, for what then is the apostle saying? That those who are outside of Christ yet aware of sin are in the truth and the truth in them? Hardly. For scripture firmly attests in multiple places that those who are going to destruction find themselves ignorant of the truth. (2 Cor 4:1-6, and 1 Cor 1:18.) So we see then that one characteristic of a true Christian is a painful awareness of our own sin. Let us not surpress the Holy Spirit in that affect and fall short of its sanctifying work, for indeed there is a holiness without which no person shall see God ( hebrews 12:14). Now the other error is equally if not far more deadly. Perhaps one buys into the doctrine of perfectionism, yet they are fully aware of their own sin. They find themselves believing that without their own perfection there is no grounds for believing that Christ died for them! How aweful that state is. For now they have been forced to believe that Christ has not effectually died in their place due to their failing to be perfect! And believing that Christ has not merely died for sins, or another, but rather believing Christ died for ME is the very means of salvation, then this doctrine serves only to upset the faith on which we stand and condemn us to hell. Stay clear of this error! In Christ, Beja |
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2 | How do I abide in His love? | John 15:10 | stjohn | 226199 | ||
Very well said, Pastor Beja! | ||||||
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