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1 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | Hank | 10397 | ||
Nolan and Steve: A brief footnote on your observations about "parrot" recitation of the so-called "Lord's Prayer" -- I sat in the pew of a certain church for 35 years and we "said" the prayer in unison every Sunday morning, as well as the Apostles' Creed. Did I say we "said" it? Mumbled it is more like it. And not once during all those years do I recall the pastor or anyone else ever elaborating on the meaning and significance of the prayer or the creed. The irony of it all is that not until my wife and I changed our membership from this "mainline" denomination to Southern Baptist did I ever hear an expository, exegetical sermon on Jesus' model prayer, but they never use it in corporate worship. I learned more about Jesus' didactic prayer from one good Bible-based sermon than I had learned by reciting it ritually for 1,820 Sundays. --Hank | ||||||
2 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | EdB | 10414 | ||
Hank your right on this but I will say there has been many times I have fallen back to the Apostles creed to articulate what it was I believed. And unfortunately this is what is missing in many churches today. We are failing to give our young people even a rudimentry foundation of Christian doctrine. Educator today argue against rote memorization, but say what you will I can still do 9x9 in my head, and can name the states of the United States. Some things we have to memorize so we can draw upon it when we need it. The early church fathers understood this. That is why they developed Hymns to help the people learn the scripture by memorization. It wasn't for entertainment, or to set upon your emotions, but rather to help you learn Christian doctrine. Farmers would sing the hymns to themselves as they walked behind the plows. |
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3 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | Hank | 10427 | ||
Picking up your theme about the desirability of memorization, Ed, I'm taken back in time to my days as a student in elementary school -- a time when, in our city at least, Bible was taught in the public schools; and you know, in view of what is happening in our schools today, that must have been long ago. It was. A half century ago in fact. We were taught to memorize verses of Scripture, lyrics to favorite old hymns, and the names of the books of the Bible in their proper order. I can still recite many verses word-perfect that I learned then, and words to hymns, and the books of the Bible in order. In church I often see people in the pews around me searching for a book in the Bible. I can find mine because I learned years ago where it was located in the Bible. It is a source of exquisite and enduring delight and spiritual enrichment to have one's mind stored with many passages from God's eternal Book, the wonderful words of life. Not nearly enough stress is placed on memorization these days. --Hank | ||||||
4 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | Searcher56 | 10429 | ||
Mr. Hank, We do need to show respect to our elders ... another thing I was taught when I went to school. Do you remember ears that were boxed, for calling an adult by their first name or some other name? I think we also misunderstand the holiness of God. We have made our elder's names common as well as God's. The hardest for me were the Minor Prophets. I think we need to study these books, so we know where the address is when we see it quoted in the NT, at the very least. Mr. Steve |
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5 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | Hank | 10431 | ||
Steve, while I most certainly appreciate your respect accorded to me, the ancient one, by addressing me as Mr. Hank, you have my special permission to continue calling me merely Hank :-) What you say about respect of the younger generation for the older in our society is by and large the case these days. But I am ever so much more grieved by the lack of reverence to God by our people in this land -- to God, to His Name, to His Holy Word. We've seen, on occasion, God's word challenged, maligned and treated with abject disrespect even on this, what purports to be a forum for Bible study...... Now, I'm not a Roman Catholic, I'm a Bible-thumping Southern Baptist, but I am always deeply impressed when I see a Catholic priest, at the end of his reading from the Bible, kiss it before he puts it down..... And Yes, Steve, a thousand times Yes, we should honor the name of our Holy God, not make it common and certainly not use it in vain. The Jews were in such awe of the covenant Name that they dared not utter it. Don't you love that old hymn, "Blessed be the name, blessed be the name, blessed be the name of the Lord." --Hank | ||||||
6 | "The Disciple's Prayer"? | Luke 11:2 | EdB | 10489 | ||
I will never forget my surprise when I heard a young lady (late twenties) refer to pastor as “dude”. I thought to myself where is the respect? However about a month later I heard her pray and then I knew. Her prayer started “Hey Dude” There was no respect. To me that is just a little to familiar. As to your statement of Holiness and the Catholic church. If Protestants could just have half the appreciation for Holiness that I see in the Catholic church I would be ecstatic. For years we have been fighting a battle to keep people from going behind the altar area in our church, especially kids. Most ignore all requests to stay out and to keep their children out and walk back there with seeming impunity. Our reason is the costly sound equipment and to some degree a lesson in holiness. One day a Catholic man came to the church to look at something. He noticed the 3D painting of an open window looking out into the heavens with a cross and dove in the center. He rushed to view the mural until he got the altar rail and stopped instantly. He then turned to the Pastor and asked permission to continue back to get a closer look. See he respected the sanctity of the area from his training. Something no one has been able to get into the heads of the people that attend there. Once when I was in a catholic bookstore nosing around, I notice one aisle marked “No Kids”. I assume it was where they kept their delicate things. Later I realized it was where they kept the communion vessels and other things that go on the altar. I heard the store owner warn a parent not to allow her child around the holy things. I then went to a Protestant Bookstore and notice two young girls playing with the communion trays as their mothers shopped elsewhere in the store. What a difference the Catholics wouldn’t even allow for the chance for that to happen and the Protestants didn’t seem to even notice. |
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