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1 | Evidenc of Signs in 2008 Valid? | Mark 16:17 | Tamara Brewington | 205649 | ||
Dear Forum members, I already know what I think of the Pentecostal belief that speaking in tongues is evidence of the Holy Spirit having entered one and I know all the scriptures to refute that understanding of scriptures. I wonder though how should we understand Mathew verse 17 and 18 - are these signs just to be applied to the first century - the tongues, the casting out of demons, the not being affected by poisons or deadly snakes? Or do you think it is possible that these things could still apply now? Please don't answer with stuff about snake handlers or refutations of crackpot practices in phony bony churches - I am well aware of what types of charlatans are out there, I am well grounded and not in any danger of falling prey to false doctrine. Please try to craft your answer around some scriptures if you can.. God's Day To You, Tamara |
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2 | Evidenc of Signs in 2008 Valid? | Mark 16:17 | lookinforacity | 205713 | ||
Hi Tamara: Mark 16:17,18 17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Are we to take this verse in Mark literally? The question I ask is, If not for today, then why after the 4 Gospels were written, was it still taught? If these were the words of Jesus to the Disciples only, for the BUILDING of the Church, then why write letters to other Churches, (1 Cor.12) teaching them on the proper use of these gifts. Why the in depth explanation, GOD knew this book was going to come down to us, was it so we could argue pro, and con. for 2 millennia. I don't think so. As far as them ending, Jesus said "Them that Believe" aren't we believers? Jesus did not say, there will be an end of these gifts. Anything other than the Cold Hard Fact, of (A)meaning(1) Scripture that explicitly states they were to end, after the Disciples died, then any belief in that direction is pure conjecturer, ( Aren't we Disciples Also) Continued End of 1 of 2 |
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3 | Evidenc of Signs in 2008 Valid? | Mark 16:17 | lookinforacity | 205714 | ||
Continuation 2 of 2 Now, as far as picking up serpents, and drinking poison. I could say, God will watch over us, the same as he did for PAUL, on the way to Rome, (Acts 28:3-6) 3) And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4) And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5) And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6) Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. But take a look at this. Kind of a different light. Or Luke 10:17-20 17) And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19) Behold, I give unto you power to tread on (SERPENTS and SCORPIONS), and over (ALL) the (POWER) of the enemy: and (NOTHING SHALL) by any means (HURT YOU). 20) Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. Thinking of what Luke has just said, could this food be poison to us as Christians? 1 Corinthians 8:3,4 3) But if any man love God, the same is known of him. 4) As concerning therefore the (EATING) of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. OK, I know it says (EATING), but I am thinking on the lines of anything that could be construed a food, or drink, something that we would consume. (NOW) Think of how many different ways, we can consume something How about false teachings that have, and still come into the Church? They could be considered POISIN to the hearer, but not (DEADLY) to the true believer. "Be careful what you hear". James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, (FULL) of (DEADLY POISON). Psalm 140 1) Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man; 2) Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war. 3) They have sharpened their tongues like a (SERPENT); (ADDERS' POISON) is under their lips. Selah. 4) Keep me, O LORD, from the hands of the wicked; preserve me from the violent man; who have purposed to overthrow my goings. We are to keep ourselves, unspotted from the world. James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. 1 Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot (DRINK) the (CUP) of the Lord, and the (CUP) of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's (TABLE), and of the (TABLE) of devils. "GOD WILL PROTECT YOU" 1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye (EAT), or (DRINK), or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Tamara, all I am saying is, if we look at Mark 16:17,18, trying to make sense out of it literally, and cant, are we then to just throw our hands in the air, saying "We cant understand it"? Leaving it there. Or are we to SEEK, KNOCK, ASK . I have tried to stretch my brain, into every direction I could think of, trying to get some understanding of the verses in question. I do not believe we are supposed to take at face value, what something might appear to say. That is all I have tried to do. Maybe with these other scriptures I have posted here, they will spark something, allowing you, to look at things from a different perspective. IN Jesus Name Jim |
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4 | Evidenc of Signs in 2008 Valid? | Mark 16:17 | Tamara Brewington | 205724 | ||
My dearest Jim, Did you read Pastor Moran's post? Most informing and intersting observations - namely that there is a question in the textual study area of whether or not the end of Mark should even be in the NT at all, that is why in every Bible it appears in brackets (I think I submitted a post not to long ago in answer to someone about this very thing). Since this portion of Mark is still to this day held in question as to whether it belongs in the NT taking it and runnig forward with it is not reccommended by commentators. As to posion, we should never say poison refers to a substance not intended by the original author, I highly doubt if that passage belongs in the NT that Mark meant bad food, I think he meant real poison, like a draught of poison. I think we should also try to look at the whole text there in the end of Mark in the light of the whole rest of what we can find in scripture that there is to see. For instance the use of tongues is not seen through out the NT as a sign of those who have believed consistently after the groups were added in Acts. And we don't here much about casting out demons either. This came up about the same verse in another post a few days ago and Pastor Moran remarked then, that we can't leave out the list of the other gifts as signs that people have believed. Making sense of things literaly must always also take into consideration the other texts that apply to the understanding of the principle to be arrived at as to an application. Some of the scriptures you came up with go off the general page in terms of hitting on the subject matter, but I can understand from reading carefully what you wrote how you got where you got. God's Love To You, Tamara |
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5 | Evidenc of Signs in 2008 Valid? | Mark 16:17 | lookinforacity | 205732 | ||
Hi Tamara: I didn't get anywhere. I was trying to tell you , look in every direction you can. That's all. As far as the portion of Mark belonging or not, it's in the book, and it has been for a long time, it will be there for a long time to come. We as believers better get a handle on it. Just posted in the hopes of help. Have a good evening Jim |
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6 | Evidenc of Signs in 2008 Valid? | Mark 16:17 | Tamara Brewington | 205735 | ||
Well thanks for the Help Jim! By the way I am still working on our project my friend! eamil you later! Tam |
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