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1 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | JCrichton | 137359 | ||
Hi, Steve! I begin to understand your positon a lot better... and I must agree with you, in part! As far as Salvation (both Israel's and the Gentiles') God's Will is imposed upon humanity... this is clearly evident by the choices God made (Isaac over Ismael; Jacob over Esau; Ephraim over Manasseh; Moses over Aaron; David over Saul; Salomon over David... The very specific selection of Judges and Prophets; the specilization in creating both an atmosphere of rebilliousnes and apathy so that: a) Pharaoh would refuse to free Israel so that God's Power could be revealed; b) the pagan world's total embrace of abomination and desecration in order to provide Israel with an opportunity to occupy the Promised Land; c) Israel's constant disobedience and disloyalty so that the Gentiles could be given the opportunity to be saved... There were very specific tasks given to certain individuals--tasks that had to be performed in order for the Salvation Plan to take effect as predestined by God... the poeple of Israel were made blind and deaf so that they could not see and understand (with the exception of the chosen/select)... There were also the "players" that were crucial to the persecution/death of Christ (king Herod, the high priest, Judas Iscariot, religious elite, Pontius Pilate...); then there were the "players" involved in the Redemption part of the Plan (Mary, Jesus' Mother, John the Baptist; the pastors (sheep herders) the three wize men; the Eleven, the various true believers, the verious sick/lame people, the crucified thief...); This part of God's Salvation Plan was scripted--and the various "actors and actresses" could do nothing but play their part! To this point God's Will is imposed as with Creation where everything that He said was done and nothing that was said was not done! But within Creation there were variants which God allowed to take place: God did not create Death, but it was introduced! God did not create evil, but it came to exist! God did not create Satan, but he chose to remake himself in his own image! God did not create wicked/evil angels--these fell pray to Satan and their vanity! God did not create wicked/evil people--these followed the appetite of the flesh to the exclusion of God's Authority! It is not God's Will that some be saved while others perish! It is not God's Will that Salvation (Christ) belong to a few while perdition be embraced by the majority! It is not God's Will to see Israel annihilated! It is not God's Will to have anyone reject Christ! Salvation is the ultimate equalizer: In Christ Jesus God is redeeming the world onto Himself so that no one has any excuse not to receive the Gift of Salvation for all who believe will be saved! (Ephesians 2:12-22) Sadly, as the prophet Isaiah said: Lord, who has believed? (I am paraphrasing) (Romans 10:16) It is man's prerogotive to obey, submit himself to God's Authority and receive Salvation! (John 11:25-26; Matthew 20:20; 26:28; John 3:17-21; 12:47; 1:1-5, 9-13; also see Jesus' equalization on the Cross, making the Father accessible to all (Jews and non-Jews) in Romans 9:1 through 11:32) Still, it is God's Will that we choose Life (Jesus) and be saved not that we embrace disobedience and perish, but we are given the opportunity to choose Life (Deuteronomy 30:19): So in future, House of Israel, I shall judge each of you by what that person does--declares the Lord Yahweh. Repent, renounce all your crimes, avoid all occasions for guilt. Shake off all the crimes you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why die, House of Israel? I take no pleasure in the death of anyone--declares the Lord Yahweh--so repent and live!' (Ezekiel 18:30-32--compare with Isaiah 1:18-20) God Bless! Angel |
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2 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137510 | ||
Hello Angel, I’m glad we both agree that the Bible gives specific examples of God using people to do His will. Your examples make it quite clear. My point is that if God did it at certain times and with certain people, isn’t He doing it all the time and with all people? Is there enough examples in the Bible to prove it? Are there words from God and Jesus that say that? I would like to take specific words of God and Jesus and see if this is what they are implying. I certainly understand your position when you say that man has the prerogative to believe God or not. I have been taught that my entire life. Now that I have lived some years, I can’t help but to have the feeling that God is in total control of it all. We are merely players, all of us. Even the Bible points to the book of revelation and the climax of life as we know it. In order for the book of revelation to come to fruition, God must make it happen, not us. God is using us to make it happen. The part of the Lord’s prayer that says, in Matthew “ 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.” And lead us not into temptation. Does God lead us into temptation, where we are tempted by Satan? Isn’t that amazing that off all the things that we need and could pray about, Jesus gave us that particular concern. Jesus told us to pray and ask God to not to lead us into temptation because God does lead us into temptation. Mathew 4:1 “Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.” The Father led Jesus into the desert to be tempted by the devil. Now, Jesus asks us to pray that God not lead us into temptation by the evil one. I believe this is how God works with us. He leads either into temptation or to His Son for salvation. When He leads us into temptation explains all the evil that is in the world that people do. We are born neither good or bad. God leads us into temptation, why, I’m not quite sure. Is it to test us? Maybe. God leads us into temptation throughout our lives and we give in to those temptations more often than not. That is why Jesus told us to repent when God calls us to salvation. We have committed a lot of sins. We sin because we are too weak to resist Satan and his temptations. Now Jesus came to this earth to teach us to pray to God and ask Him to not to lead us into temptation but to deliver us from the evil one. Jesus would not tell us to ask God to lead us not into temptation if God is not leading us. He would not have told us to pray for God’s leading if it were not needed. Jesus gave us the example that we can now resist Satan with the help of the Holy Spirit. This is my other point, we cannot resist Satan without the help of the Holy spirit. We need God to resist Satan. God leads us our entire life into temptation and then He chooses us for salvation and gives us the Holy Spirit to help us resist Satan. He is in control of our entire spiritual life from birth to death. That is why Jesus said to pray, “Thy will be done.” All we do is God’s will. Why would Jesus ask us to pray for God’s will to be done if it were not true. It is not our will that we pray for but God’s will. I believe that we have a physical life and a spiritual life. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born of water and the spirit. Water represents our physical life and spirit represents our spiritual life. With our physical life we get to exercise our will to make the decisions necessary to take care of our physical needs. Where to work, what to eat, what to wear, etc. I believe God gave us the ability and knowledge to make all the decisions necessary to take from His creation what we need to sustain our well being. But God is in control of our spiritual life, born of spirit. As Jesus said in John 6:44 and 6:65, No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him. The Father decides whom He wants to come to Jesus. God is in control of our spiritual lives. He leads us into temptation or unto His Son for salvation. Jesus was quite clear about the Father drawing us to Himself. Didn’t Jesus pray that He not loose any that the Father placed in His hands. John 17:2 “For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.” And in verse 6, "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. “15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.” Of all the people that heard Jesus and saw His miracles, only a small number believed He was the Son of God. God granted that knowledge to only those small number of people. As far as our salvation is concerned, God is choosing who He wants to believe in Jesus and who He doesn’t at this time. There will be a second resurrection where everyone will be given the knowledge of Jesus and that will be their opportunity. But not now. May God’s will be done. Steve |
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3 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 137511 | ||
What is the origin of this doctrine? "There will be a second resurrection where everyone will be given the knowledge of Jesus and that will be their opportunity. But not now." On what scriptures is this founded? Where does scripture mention a "second" resurrection? | ||||||
4 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | dreamslip | 137515 | ||
Here are verses pertaining to a second resurrection, but I don't think it is to eternal life...... Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. I believe everyone knows Jesus in the first resurrection. What I'm curious of is why even resurrect the wicked in a second resurrection for judgement if they are already condemned. Public punishment??? |
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5 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 137517 | ||
Ah... now I see. I thought you meant that some people would be resurrected more than once! Except for maybe Lazarus and a few others in the early church, I could not imagine that to be true. John Gill comments, in part, on the phrase "first resurrection" with these words: "which is not to be connected with the living again of the rest of the dead at the end of the thousand years, for that will be the second and last resurrection; but with the witnesses of Jesus, and the true worshippers of God living again, in order to reign with Christ a thousand years; for this resurrection is not meant of a resurrection from the death of sin to a life of grace; though the work of grace and conversion is sometimes so represented, it cannot be designed here; for such a resurrection the above witnesses and worshippers were partakers of before their sufferings, and which was antecedently necessary to their witness and worship; besides, this resurrection was future in John's time, and was what was to be done at once, and was peculiar to the commencement of the thousand years; whereas the spiritual resurrection was before his time, and has been ever since the beginning, and is successive in all ages, and not affixed to anyone period of time, though there may be more instances of it in one age than in another; nor is this ever called the first resurrection, nor can any reason be given why it should..." | ||||||