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1 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 136266 | ||
Math 6:10 Is this a request or a statement of fact, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." | ||||||
2 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | JCrichton | 136302 | ||
Hi, Steve! It is both! It is a statement that we are called to make... one that not only demonstrates our submission to God, but also resonates our hope in Him! It is also a fact because only God's Will is ultimately achieved... even out of the worst escenarios God's Plan emerges in perfect triumphant design! (IE: the exodus of Israel from Egypt; the determination of the Jews' religious elite to exterminate Jesus; the persecution of the Church; Salvation in spite of Satan's constant assault on the Church...) God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 136644 | ||
Hello Angel, Thank you for your response. You are absolutely right in saying that out of the worst scenarios God's plan emerges in perfect design. I was thinking the same thing you eluded to when it came to the crucifixtion of Jesus. If Judas woke up that morning and decided not to betray Jesus then what would have happened to God's plan. As it turned out, he was following God's lead and direction, His Will. I'm going to make a statement and I sure would appreciate your response, all that we do is God's will. This life makes no sense if only some of what we do is God's will and not other things. Either all we do is God's will or none of it. What do you think? Thanks for your reply. Steve |
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4 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | JCrichton | 136657 | ||
Hi, Steve! I understand your position! There are many Scriptural passages that infer just such argument: God's Creation, God's Design, God's Will imposed on Pharaoh, Israel, Judas and others... But, clearly, it is not God's Will that we should perish; it is not God's Will that we self-destruct; it is not God's Will that we wallow in unrighteousness or that we succumb to the lustful and envious desires of the flesh... For our collective good, God allows humanity to suffer sporadic episodes of rebelliousness, disloyalty and even disbelief... it is through our frailties that He convicts us of our failures and our dependence on Him! I respectufully disagree with your statement ("all that we do is God's will")... It is not that all that we do is God's Will (the terrible wickedness, hatred, discord, and apathy of so many in the world attests to this fact); rather, it is God's Will that we return to the state to which He aspired us to achieve: His image and likeness! (1 Peter 1:16) So God, in His benevolent and merciful patience, allows us the freedom to choose to abide in Him or to reject Him(Deuteronomy 30:19-20; Isaiah 1:18-20: Ez 18:30-32; John 11:25-26; Romans 5:6-21)... but His Will is imposed, not on an individual level but on a universal level where God's Holy Spirit enlightens the most receptive servants so that God's Remnant will continue to obey God's Will by willingly subjecting their will to His! (Romans 9:27-29 and Romans 11:5-36) It is God's Will that we turn to Him and abide in Him... but He made us in His image and likeness: free to choose to love and serve Him and free to choose to reject Him and serve our own iniquities! Isaiah 1:18-20 is so enlightening! It demonstrates God's immeasurable Mercy and Love--He is willing to cleanse us from anything and everything and never to hold our past against us... yet, He exacts just retribution on those who revel in their deliberate disobedience and rejection of His Authority! Jesus lowered Himself to our level so that He could rescue us from our eminent demise, but even then, He allowed us to willingly submit ourselves to God's Will... those of us who do are granted to power to become children of God! (John 1:1-14) Yet, even the promise of such great treasure many simply choose to reject God's Gift, embracing their fatalistic demise (John 3:17-21; Romans 1:20-32) Jesus calls us to be one with Him as He is One with the Father (John 17:21-22); but He will not force His Authority on anyone who does not willingly obeys and abides in Him! (John 6:53-67; Luke 17:12-19) We are of the elect, in Jesus, if we willingly submit our wills to God's Will... if we do, God's Will is that we be saved! (John 6:39-40) God Bless! Angel |
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5 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137216 | ||
Hello Angel, I sure appreciate you taking the time to follow up. This discussion means a lot to me and I trust in God's guidance. When you say that His will is imposed not on an individual level but on a universal level where God’s Holy Spirit enlightens the most receptive servants so that God’s remnant will continue to obey God’s will by willingly subjecting their will to His. Rom 9:27-29 and Rom 11:5-36. Verse 28 says it is, “His sentence” that will be carried out on earth. It is not our sentence. It is not our will being carried out but God’s will. Rom 11:5-36 Verse 5 says, “there is a remnant chosen by grace.” God does the choosing. Verse 7 “What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did.” Israel tried to do it without the Holy Spirit, without being enabled by God. They tried to do it by good works, by physical acts of obedience. God commanded them to do this and to do that and don’t do this and don’t do that, but to no avail. It was impossible to obtain righteousness by physical acts of obedience only. They couldn’t do it. That is why Jesus was so angry with them when he talked to them. He gave them the commands and He expected them to obey them but they couldn’t. They proved that it is impossible to obey without the help of the Holy Spirit. “but the elect did.” We can now obey God because he has enabled us by His Holy Spirit. We are very special to God. God has chosen us and given us His Holy Spirit. Now we are His for eternity. The Israelites of the Old Testament did not have that opportunity. Rom 11:8 “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day.” Do we believe that? God is controlling who He wants to know Him and who he doesn’t want to know Him. He is in control, not us. When God gives us a spirit of stupor, we are powerless to remove it, even to this very day. God is deciding who He wants in his kingdom and who He doesn’t. John 6:44 “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent me draws him.” God does the drawing, He decides who He wants to come to Jesus and then He draws us to Jesus. John 6:65 “--- no one can come to Me unless the Father has enabled him.” Verse 66 “---many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed Him.” The reason they turned back was because they were not enabled by the Father to believe in Jesus. Peter made it very clear in verse 69 when he said, “We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.” God lifted the spirit of stupor from the Apostles minds and not from those who turned and left Jesus. Verse 70, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve?” God chose the Apostles; the Apostles did not choose God. We have to always keep that in mind that Jesus chose the Apostles just like he chooses some of us to believe in Him. We do not chose Him, He chooses us. In verse 70 Jesus went on to say, “Yet one of you is a devil.” Did not God choose Judas to be a devil so that God’s plan for Jesus’ crucifixion can be carried out? Wasn’t Pilate doing God’s will when Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.” The entire life and death of Jesus is a prime example of God’s will being done on this earth. Everyone involved in Jesus life were being directed by God to carry out His plan for our salvation. Those involved had no control over what God wanted them to do. If they did, that means that their will was stronger than God’s. That means that their plan for our salvation would have been carried out and not God’s plan. Does this make any sense to you? May God's will be done. Steve |
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6 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | JCrichton | 137359 | ||
Hi, Steve! I begin to understand your positon a lot better... and I must agree with you, in part! As far as Salvation (both Israel's and the Gentiles') God's Will is imposed upon humanity... this is clearly evident by the choices God made (Isaac over Ismael; Jacob over Esau; Ephraim over Manasseh; Moses over Aaron; David over Saul; Salomon over David... The very specific selection of Judges and Prophets; the specilization in creating both an atmosphere of rebilliousnes and apathy so that: a) Pharaoh would refuse to free Israel so that God's Power could be revealed; b) the pagan world's total embrace of abomination and desecration in order to provide Israel with an opportunity to occupy the Promised Land; c) Israel's constant disobedience and disloyalty so that the Gentiles could be given the opportunity to be saved... There were very specific tasks given to certain individuals--tasks that had to be performed in order for the Salvation Plan to take effect as predestined by God... the poeple of Israel were made blind and deaf so that they could not see and understand (with the exception of the chosen/select)... There were also the "players" that were crucial to the persecution/death of Christ (king Herod, the high priest, Judas Iscariot, religious elite, Pontius Pilate...); then there were the "players" involved in the Redemption part of the Plan (Mary, Jesus' Mother, John the Baptist; the pastors (sheep herders) the three wize men; the Eleven, the various true believers, the verious sick/lame people, the crucified thief...); This part of God's Salvation Plan was scripted--and the various "actors and actresses" could do nothing but play their part! To this point God's Will is imposed as with Creation where everything that He said was done and nothing that was said was not done! But within Creation there were variants which God allowed to take place: God did not create Death, but it was introduced! God did not create evil, but it came to exist! God did not create Satan, but he chose to remake himself in his own image! God did not create wicked/evil angels--these fell pray to Satan and their vanity! God did not create wicked/evil people--these followed the appetite of the flesh to the exclusion of God's Authority! It is not God's Will that some be saved while others perish! It is not God's Will that Salvation (Christ) belong to a few while perdition be embraced by the majority! It is not God's Will to see Israel annihilated! It is not God's Will to have anyone reject Christ! Salvation is the ultimate equalizer: In Christ Jesus God is redeeming the world onto Himself so that no one has any excuse not to receive the Gift of Salvation for all who believe will be saved! (Ephesians 2:12-22) Sadly, as the prophet Isaiah said: Lord, who has believed? (I am paraphrasing) (Romans 10:16) It is man's prerogotive to obey, submit himself to God's Authority and receive Salvation! (John 11:25-26; Matthew 20:20; 26:28; John 3:17-21; 12:47; 1:1-5, 9-13; also see Jesus' equalization on the Cross, making the Father accessible to all (Jews and non-Jews) in Romans 9:1 through 11:32) Still, it is God's Will that we choose Life (Jesus) and be saved not that we embrace disobedience and perish, but we are given the opportunity to choose Life (Deuteronomy 30:19): So in future, House of Israel, I shall judge each of you by what that person does--declares the Lord Yahweh. Repent, renounce all your crimes, avoid all occasions for guilt. Shake off all the crimes you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why die, House of Israel? I take no pleasure in the death of anyone--declares the Lord Yahweh--so repent and live!' (Ezekiel 18:30-32--compare with Isaiah 1:18-20) God Bless! Angel |
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7 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | stevewill | 137510 | ||
Hello Angel, I’m glad we both agree that the Bible gives specific examples of God using people to do His will. Your examples make it quite clear. My point is that if God did it at certain times and with certain people, isn’t He doing it all the time and with all people? Is there enough examples in the Bible to prove it? Are there words from God and Jesus that say that? I would like to take specific words of God and Jesus and see if this is what they are implying. I certainly understand your position when you say that man has the prerogative to believe God or not. I have been taught that my entire life. Now that I have lived some years, I can’t help but to have the feeling that God is in total control of it all. We are merely players, all of us. Even the Bible points to the book of revelation and the climax of life as we know it. In order for the book of revelation to come to fruition, God must make it happen, not us. God is using us to make it happen. The part of the Lord’s prayer that says, in Matthew “ 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.” And lead us not into temptation. Does God lead us into temptation, where we are tempted by Satan? Isn’t that amazing that off all the things that we need and could pray about, Jesus gave us that particular concern. Jesus told us to pray and ask God to not to lead us into temptation because God does lead us into temptation. Mathew 4:1 “Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil.” The Father led Jesus into the desert to be tempted by the devil. Now, Jesus asks us to pray that God not lead us into temptation by the evil one. I believe this is how God works with us. He leads either into temptation or to His Son for salvation. When He leads us into temptation explains all the evil that is in the world that people do. We are born neither good or bad. God leads us into temptation, why, I’m not quite sure. Is it to test us? Maybe. God leads us into temptation throughout our lives and we give in to those temptations more often than not. That is why Jesus told us to repent when God calls us to salvation. We have committed a lot of sins. We sin because we are too weak to resist Satan and his temptations. Now Jesus came to this earth to teach us to pray to God and ask Him to not to lead us into temptation but to deliver us from the evil one. Jesus would not tell us to ask God to lead us not into temptation if God is not leading us. He would not have told us to pray for God’s leading if it were not needed. Jesus gave us the example that we can now resist Satan with the help of the Holy Spirit. This is my other point, we cannot resist Satan without the help of the Holy spirit. We need God to resist Satan. God leads us our entire life into temptation and then He chooses us for salvation and gives us the Holy Spirit to help us resist Satan. He is in control of our entire spiritual life from birth to death. That is why Jesus said to pray, “Thy will be done.” All we do is God’s will. Why would Jesus ask us to pray for God’s will to be done if it were not true. It is not our will that we pray for but God’s will. I believe that we have a physical life and a spiritual life. Jesus told Nicodemus you must be born of water and the spirit. Water represents our physical life and spirit represents our spiritual life. With our physical life we get to exercise our will to make the decisions necessary to take care of our physical needs. Where to work, what to eat, what to wear, etc. I believe God gave us the ability and knowledge to make all the decisions necessary to take from His creation what we need to sustain our well being. But God is in control of our spiritual life, born of spirit. As Jesus said in John 6:44 and 6:65, No one can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him. The Father decides whom He wants to come to Jesus. God is in control of our spiritual lives. He leads us into temptation or unto His Son for salvation. Jesus was quite clear about the Father drawing us to Himself. Didn’t Jesus pray that He not loose any that the Father placed in His hands. John 17:2 “For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.” And in verse 6, "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. “15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.” Of all the people that heard Jesus and saw His miracles, only a small number believed He was the Son of God. God granted that knowledge to only those small number of people. As far as our salvation is concerned, God is choosing who He wants to believe in Jesus and who He doesn’t at this time. There will be a second resurrection where everyone will be given the knowledge of Jesus and that will be their opportunity. But not now. May God’s will be done. Steve |
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8 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 137511 | ||
What is the origin of this doctrine? "There will be a second resurrection where everyone will be given the knowledge of Jesus and that will be their opportunity. But not now." On what scriptures is this founded? Where does scripture mention a "second" resurrection? | ||||||
9 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | dreamslip | 137515 | ||
Here are verses pertaining to a second resurrection, but I don't think it is to eternal life...... Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. I believe everyone knows Jesus in the first resurrection. What I'm curious of is why even resurrect the wicked in a second resurrection for judgement if they are already condemned. Public punishment??? |
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10 | Thy will be done, statement or fact? | Matt 6:9 | DocTrinsograce | 137517 | ||
Ah... now I see. I thought you meant that some people would be resurrected more than once! Except for maybe Lazarus and a few others in the early church, I could not imagine that to be true. John Gill comments, in part, on the phrase "first resurrection" with these words: "which is not to be connected with the living again of the rest of the dead at the end of the thousand years, for that will be the second and last resurrection; but with the witnesses of Jesus, and the true worshippers of God living again, in order to reign with Christ a thousand years; for this resurrection is not meant of a resurrection from the death of sin to a life of grace; though the work of grace and conversion is sometimes so represented, it cannot be designed here; for such a resurrection the above witnesses and worshippers were partakers of before their sufferings, and which was antecedently necessary to their witness and worship; besides, this resurrection was future in John's time, and was what was to be done at once, and was peculiar to the commencement of the thousand years; whereas the spiritual resurrection was before his time, and has been ever since the beginning, and is successive in all ages, and not affixed to anyone period of time, though there may be more instances of it in one age than in another; nor is this ever called the first resurrection, nor can any reason be given why it should..." | ||||||