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1 | the ten virgins | Matt 25:1 | prayon | 44048 | ||
Greetings Mommapbs, I believe that those who miss the rapture will have a second chance. The bible tells us that 144,000 will never give into the beast. It also tells us that these people come from the 12 tribes of Isreal. All Jews have heard about Jesus Christ and yet refused to believe that He was the son of God. If what you said (that any one who has heard will not get a second chance to go to heaven), then the 144,000 would not be able to get into heaven. In addition Rev 9:9 tells us that "Blessed are those who are invited to the marrisage supper of the lamb". Through the process of elimination these people are believed to be the tribulation saints. All those who were raised in the rapture and all the OT and NT saints will be the bride of Christ, this only leaves the Tribulation believers. The wedding guests will join the bride and groom in fellowship for the next 1000 years. The guests will be made immortal after the 1000 year reign. 1Cor 15:53 tells us that the believers will be raised up and made immortal. Rev 20:5 says that the dead will be raised up from the tribulation will be judged. Anyone who becomes a believer after the rapture will go to heaven but will not be made immortal. I believe that the 5 virgins whose lamps were empty will be left at the tribulation but that they will have a second chance to get their act together and join us in heaven as the guests of the groom. I also believe that they will have a second chance because our God is a merciful God and a loving God that hates to see anyone perish. He gives all of us chance after chance when we mess up to redeem ourself. Why should it be any different later? Our God is an unchanging God. Hope this helps. prayon |
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2 | the ten virgins | Matt 25:1 | Mommapbs | 44073 | ||
Hi Prayon - Thanks for the timely reply. There is a degree of disagreement on this topic and I am trying my best to understand how people arrive at their conclusions based upon God's Word. I concurr that there will be an elect group of people foreknown by God who will be saved during the Tribulation period. The 144,000 are "marked with the seal of God" and are from the 12 tribes of Israel. (I believe that they will be Divinely protected from the wrath of God and enter the 1000 year reign with Christ - These are not Gentiles. SO what becomes of the remaining Gentiles after the rapture, where does Scripture indicate that they who rejected Christ will have an opportunity to receive Him after the Rapture takes place? You wrote: "I believe that the 5 virgins whose lamps were empty will be left at the tribulation but that they will have a second chance to get their act together and join us in heaven as the guests of the groom." Can you justify this Scripturally? I'm wondering if these virgins possibly represent the remnant of Israel? I see your point about the wedding feast of the Lamb - the bride is the Church, and the Tribulation saints the guests, but you stated in your reply that this takes place in Heaven, so can we conclude that this is prior to the first ressurrection? (Rev 20:4-5) Where does Scripture indicate that the Church will be during the 1000 year reign? Those that reign with Christ on earth are part of the FIRST ressurrection according to Rev 20:4-5. I don't see that the Church is part of this company from this portion of Revelation. A pastor remarked that the Church would return with Christ, riding on horses (see Rev. 19:11-19). This seems inacurate to me. Is the Church described as the army of God? Elsewhere it is the angelic host. The vision of the New Jerusalem is described in 21:1 as a BRIDE. Any insights? Mommapbs |
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3 | the ten virgins | Matt 25:1 | Scribe | 44087 | ||
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Romans 9:6-9 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Romans 11:2-5 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. The promise of the salvation of Israel is indeed referring to Israel but only that true Israel who are of faith. God has taken out a people for His name. That does include the gentiles that blieve. The gentile becomes a Jew when he has faith and the jew becomes not a Jew when he does not have faith. God will bring out a people from the Land of Israel but they will not be a seperate people or a new church. There is one church and when God saves a Jew or a gentil they are part of that one church. God is not going to take the church and then deal with the Jew seperately . This is not scriptural but a made up eschatoligical dispenstational view that does not fit at all. God is going to save Israel the same way he saved Israelis in the book of Acts. I personally believe that we all become a part of Israel when we are born again. I believe we are grafted in as paul said. The grafted in part is not less than the tree part. We are one. You cannot really tell a branck that is grafted in. It truely becomes part of the tree. God showed his displeasure in the idea of Jews seperating their fellowship into thier own group seperate from Gentiles by Peters vision and by Paul rebuking Peter when he again thought this way. God is not going to go back to some kind of Jewish elitism in salvation in the end times. This is actually an affront to the Gospel and all that the apostles preached. We are to see God's vision to save jews and by all means preach to them to believe on Jesus. However God is never going back to Judaism not know and not in the Tribulation. The Jews may attempt it, but God will not save any that do it. God will only save those that turn to Jesus as the Christ. Those in Israel that do that recieve the revelation that God is saving all men. DO you really think that in the Tribulation there will be Jews that know Christ and the Love of the Father who will look at the masses around them and say. I wish I could tell you the gospel but it is too late. That will only happen after men die. Only then is it too late. Until then there will never be a saint that is not compelled by the love of Christ to save souls of every race. The 144000 are symbolic. I can proove this if you have hears to hear. I will proove it on my next post. |
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4 | the ten virgins | Matt 25:1 | Mommapbs | 44112 | ||
Greetings Scribe! You went a little further than I was anticipating in your post! Basically, the question plaging me is whether my non-believing friends and family (who have all heard the Gospel, but have chosen to ignore it to date)will have an opportunity to accept Jesus as their personal Savior after the Rapture. The presence of Tribulation saints is well supported, but who are they other than the "elect of God"? Jew/Gentile at this point doesn't seem to be an issue. A Pastor remarked that those who had heard the Gospel and rejected it prior to the Rapture will NOT have an opportunity to come to faith after the Church is Raptured. He used 2 Thess. 2:7-12 as supporting Scripture. I have heard this affirmed and rejected on the Forum. This quandry led me to consider the parable of the Ten Virgins - 5 with the oil went into the marriage supper. Then who are the 5 foolish virgins? We read that the door (synonmous with Jesus as the Door?) was locked (compare with Rev 4:1) and the Lord replied when they knocked, "I don't know you." Not being a scholar in Greek or Hebrew, I don't know what the significance of this statment is. Does this mean that He (the Lord) does not know them at this time and He may in the future? Then I consider . . . Since we know who the Bride and Bridegroom are, could the 5 wise bridesmaids be representing the Tribulation saints? (Rev 19:6-9) If this is so, then the 5 foolish bridesmaids must be those who will not be guests at the wedding feast of the Lamb. They will be the main entree at the great banquet of God (Rev. 19:17-18) In this, we see no second chance. So perhaps trying to bring a connection between this parable and present day believers is less viable than connecting it to post Rapture believers! As you can see, my mind is working in overdrive as I try to process and keep things in their proper sequence. I appreciate your input! Blessings in Jesus! Mommapbs PS I still don't have an answer to my original question about post Rapture acceptance of Christ by those who have refused Him prior! Maybe the answer is in what the thunders said or perhaps it is written on the little scroll that John ate in Rev 10:1-11. Salvation is sweet isn't it? But when we digest the truth of rejecting such a great Salvation, indeed it makes one sick to contemplate the wrath that will be poured out upon unbelieving mankind! |
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