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1 | Pre-wrath Rapture | Matt 24:41 | Victor529 | 156145 | ||
What is this Pre-wrath Rapture all about? The believers get taken by stealth and then the unbelievers suffer hell on earth over a seven year countdown until God comes and takes them away to judgement exactly 7 years after the Rapture, doesn't sound like much of a 'thief in the night' if it is seven years after the Rapture. The passage I have cited from verse 36 onwards is talking about the judgement of the wicked, like Noah's flood and it is the wicked who are "taken" surely; in context this is really clear. The Bible seems always to talk of the wicked being taken taken by surprise as if by a thief in the night. What if any Biblical texts separate a Rapture from the Lord coming to judge the wicked; I cannot see this in the Bible at all. Biblical proofs only please. Isn't this a false teaching that gives the unbelievers a second chance? None of the Reformers believed any of this did they? |
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2 | Pre-wrath Rapture | Matt 24:41 | mark d seyler | 156147 | ||
Hi Victor, Welcome to the Forum! You've asked a few questions, I will try to address what I understand to be your main question - what defines the rapture as being different from when Jesus comes to judge the wicked, i.e. Rev 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." The Bible speaks in many places of the Second Coming of Christ, as He appears in great glory, saving Israel, judging the nations, and establishing His kingdom upon the earth. The Bible also describes as Jesus comes in the sky, resurrecting the “dead in Christâ€, then “catching up†the living believers, to be transformed, and given eternal bodies. The appearing in glory is spoken of using epiphenea, shining forth. This appearing will be precisely 2520 days (one prophetic "week" of seven years, 84 months of 30 days each) after the “confirming of a covenantâ€, which begins the Seventieth Week (Daniel 9:27, see also Dan. 7 - the vision of the beasts), or 3 1/2 years after the abomination that causes desolation, in the middle of the Seventieth Week. This is the same time period Jesus speaks of in Matt 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." It will be possible to calculate that day based on Daniel's prophecy, regardless of when the ratpure occurs, and so this coming in glory cannot fulfill the prophecies of Jesus coming as a thief in the night. That must be something different. 2 Peter 3:10 “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night," The Day of the Lord must also begin at a different time then when Jesus returns to judge. If I have time I will post something to that later :-) Matthew 24:42 “Watch, then, for you do not know in what hour your Lord comes.†Matthew 25:13 “Therefore, watch, for you do not know the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man comes.†Mark 13:32-37 “But concerning that day and the hour, no one knows, not the angels, those in Heaven, nor the Son, except the Father. Watch! Be wakeful, and pray. For you do not know when the time is. . . so that he may not come suddenly and find you sleeping. And what I say to you, I say to all. Watch!†Jesus will come as a thief, when we are not expecting Him, and this is separate from His shining forth at the end of the tribulation, which will happen on the very day that was prophetically announced thousands of years ago. Revelation 16:15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief.†These must be two different events. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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