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1 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | Radioman2 | 86884 | ||
Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? POINT: Heresy Hunting In his article "Seven Tactics Of The Heresy Hunters" Word of Faith proponent and defender Troy J. Edwards writes: 'Conclusion: The heresy hunters have caused quite a bit of stir in the church. They have caused the very division and strife that they often accuse those who they attack. They present themselves as "defenders of the faith" and "contenders for the truth." Yet they use false accusations, innuendo, and other ungodly methods to contend for this "truth." They are defending the truth as they see it. They claim to be modern day Bereans. I'm afraid that they do not qualify:' ____________________ This is an excerpt from "Seven Tactics Of The Heresy Hunters" by Troy J. Edwards (http://www.tgm.org/heresyHunters.html) *********************************** COUNTERPOINT: Biblical Mandate (Perspective: CP0601 www.equip.org) 'Well, I’m sure you’ve all heard by now, that Christians are simply supposed to love one another and be united together in faith. Should we, therefore, regard as divisive those Christians who speak out against teachings in the church which are clearly unbiblical? 'I can tell you firsthand that it is no joy to be labeled a “heresy-hunter.” Yet, as Paul instructed Timothy, we are to zealously guard the purity of the message God has entrusted to us, and for good reason (1 Tim 1:18-19; 6:20; 2 Tim. 4:2-5). 'We read in such passages as Acts chapter 20, and 2 Peter chapter 2, that false teachers will arise, bringing with them destructive heresies, distorting the truth and destroying the faith of some. Moreover, it is clear that these teachers will come not only from outside the church, but also from within the body of Christ as well. 'It is therefore imperative that we test all things by Scripture (1 Thes. 5:21). It was in this spirit that the Bereans examined the words of the Apostle Paul, for which they were reckoned as noble in character (Acts 17:11). 'Indeed, not only can the Bible be used for preaching, teaching and encouragement, but, it is equally valuable for correcting and rebuking (2 Tim. 4:2). As a matter of fact, we as Christians are held accountable for proclaiming the whole will of God, warning others of false teachings. (Acts 20:26-28; cf. Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10). 'This is not merely a suggestion, it is, in fact, a divine mandate. Of course if heresies are coming from teachers within the church, we ought to try and approach them first with our concerns. Should that fail to resolve the problem, we are told in Matthew 18 to expose their errors to the church; and if need be, divulge their names. (1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17-18; 4:14-15; 3 John 9-10). 'We would, therefore, do well to heed Scripture’s explicit warnings to be on guard for false teachings (Rom. 16:17-18; cf. 1 Tim. 1:3-4; 4:16; 2 Tim. 1:13-14; Titus 1:9; 2:1), and to point them out to brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Tim. 4:6). At CRI, it is not our practice to make an issue out of peripheral matters on which honest Christians can differ. However, we are committed to exposing those who would compromise the essential doctrines of the historic Christian faith. Remember, controversy for the sake of controversy is sin. But controversy for the sake of the truth is a divine command.' ____________________ 'Exposing Doctrinal Errors: Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? (www.equip.org/free/CP0601.pdf) |
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2 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | Asis | 87015 | ||
Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. [18] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. [KJV] 1 Tim. 1:3-4 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, [4] Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. [KJV] 1 Tim. 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee. [KJV] 2 Tim. 1:13-14 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. [14] That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. [KJV] Titus 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. [KJV] Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: [KJV] 2 Tim. 4:6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. [KJV] Look at these in context and see the true meaning of Pauls exhortation. Hopefully the last reference is about the unknown writer of this web site. |
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3 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | EdB | 87019 | ||
Asis Nice set of proof texts. But the fact remains a gift of spirit is discernment. If discern something to be in error and don't warn others we have not shown brotherly love. God never intended us to dumb down to throw away critical thinking and accept every false wind of doctrine. Read Paul's writings if a man or his teaching was in error Paul never hesitated to mention his name or the fact that what he was teaching was in error. Don't give me a nice list of scripture that supports your position show me where in the Bible it teaches the watchman is not responsible to warn the people. show me where Paul was chastened for naming names and telling others to stay away from certain men. As I have said so many times I can prove anything by taking text out of context and making my case. EdB |
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4 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | Asis | 87024 | ||
I am not saying that we are not to teach the truth or to allow error to go unchallenged. Paul used the truth to diswade the lies. I cannot recall where He names names. "Judeizer Shlomo is spreading a false gospel." He encouraged the believers to rely on the teaching they had received and the Holy Spirit would guide them. Instruct them in all truth, is what Jesus said. The context of some of the scriptures used in the last paragraph of the web site are about the qualifications of a bishop. I guess I'm just getting tired of all this word of faith bashing. Jesus said there would be wolves in sheeps clothing among us. That by their fruit we will be able to tell who is a wolf and who is a sheep. Look at the fruit. The article says "However, we are committed to exposing those who would compromise the essential doctrines of the historic Christian faith." If we followed that would we all be catholic? Don't you think that Luther put up with the same attacks. Called a Heretic. We get so entenched in religion that when we are presented with the truth we call it Heresy. Don't get me wrong. There is no one who has it all down pat. Even I have said some things about the meaning of scripture that I repented and corrected. We must be like the Bereans. They didn't believe Paul but when the word was there they believed. They didn't act like the Pharasees and ther Jews who didn't believe and run around the town stirring up everyone to kick Paul out of town. If we are to have a study on doctrine then let's study it. Word of Faith believes this A, B, C,. . . One person I know said they only know about Word of Faith by what they have read on the forum. That means they know nothing about the doctrines of someone who subscribes to Word of Faith. What does Word of Faith mean to you. What is the Word of Faith doctrine. In your service ASIS |
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5 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | EdB | 87034 | ||
Asis Paul named them, 2 Tim. 2:16-18 But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. [17] And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, [18] who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. Your right about those that swim against the current being called heretics. However I'm not sure what happened during the reformation was what God desired. Instead of one church we have many each following what they have deemed to be correct. We have opened the flood gates of human reasoning and ushered in the "if it sounds good do it" philosophy. Having once been an ordained Word of Faith preacher, much to my shame, I know the doctrine. I also know the lies, deception, the twisting and convolution of the truth that takes place within it. I now spend a lot of time ministering to those whose lives and faith have virtually been destroyed by it. I know the hurt, shame, suffering that occurs when something you have faith for doesn't occur and the teaching allows only to blame yourself for the failure. I personally know many men and women leaders within the WOF and know their lives and I know the lies. I know how some leave the country to receive medical treatment so it wouldn't be revealed. I know of the divorces that are covered up. I know of the children that are either involved in sin or have have separated themselves from their parents becaseu they too know the lies. I have heard the teachers talk about how they can work a crowd and get their money. I know how they practice the tears, the sincere looks, the cute jokes. Word of faith in not faith in God it is faith in faith. It has become a lying idol and its teaching has destroyed unknown thousands. Yes I think I know the doctrine well enough to discuss it, but I don't think you want to with me. EdB |
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6 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | Asis | 87039 | ||
When our faith is in teachers instead of THE TEACHER then we have trouble. We are diciples of Jesus not teachers or preachers. I am pleased to hear that you are binding up the broken hearted. I know that when religion gets taught people get hurt. I agree that our faith is to be in God and not in Faith. God cries out to us to believe. He does it with every sunrise and sunset. The stars in the sky shout down to us HE IS REAL. We should answer the lies with the truth. God will do the rest. Why do you feel that I would not want to discuss doctrine with you. You have already taught me that Paul named names. God reveals to His people the mysteries that are contained within His word. He did not make it so complicated that only a few can understand it and the rest must rely on them to understand it. God made His word simple. We make it complicated. Fill yourself with His word and He will renew your mind. Believe what He has said and His truth will set you free. 1 John 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. [KJV] Any time you want to talk doctrine I'm teachable. Check out my profile |
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7 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | EdB | 87065 | ||
Asis "Why do you feel that I would not want to discuss doctrine with you." I assumed from some of your responses you weree a defender of the Word of Faith philosophy. EdB |
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8 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | Asis | 87143 | ||
You said "Yes I think I know the doctrine well enough to discuss it, but I don't think you want to with me." That is why. Since I can't enumerate the doctrine of Word of Faith I can't say I am a proponent of their doctrine. I am a believer in the word of God. If He says I have life and life more abundantly then I believe Him. I profess the truth in my life and if that means to profess the word of God then that is what I do. His word says I am His righteousness because I believe Him then I am (Rom 3:22). That righteousness came through faith in Jesus Christ. I have that faith. His word says I am a partaker in the divine nature then I am (1 Pet 1:4. I believe that what God says He does (Numbers 23:19). If God says I am healed then I am. I believe we should engage in discourse with love, livng and talking the truth. I do not like propaganda tactics and will call anyone out when they use them. The truth needs no defending it needs telling. Religion is a tool of the enemy to keep the truth from us. I am a member of Brighton Assembly of God. I agree with their doctine in so far as it is not hamstrung with religion (i.e. baptism in the Holy Spirit with the only evidence speaking in tongues). I look forward to being sharpened by interacting with you EdB. Romans 3:4 Asis |
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9 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | EdB | 87170 | ||
Understand the Assemblies of God is not Word of Faith. Therefore you may not know what word of Faith is. Again Word of Faith, is faith in faith not God. They try to manipulate God with their faith. God is Sovereign and while he is a rewarder of the faith God will not/can not be manipulated by it. Many confuse Word of Faith for Pentecostals or Charismatics. The WOF and true Pentecostalism is as different as night and day. Unfortunately some WOF philosophy is getting into the Pentecostal churches at alarming rates. I believe most of this comes from new believers watching the charlatans on Christian TV and falling hook line and sinker for their false teaching because they haven’t read the Bible for themselves.. The Doctrinal statements of Pentecostal churches stand in opposition to WOF teachings. I know the Assemblies of God have issued write written statements (white papers) condemning the teachings of Word of Faith. Word of Faith is considered a cult or an aberration to orthodox Christianity. It is not something to be discussed here on this forum as it has already been proven to be a deviation from the truth. If you want to learn more of this obnoxious teaching read, “Christianity in Crisis; Kingdom of the Cults; Counterfeit Revivals; A Different Gospel; The Word of Faith Controversy, understanding the health wealth gospel. Any these fine books will certainly enlighten and educate you on the aberrant teachings of Word of Faith movement. EdB |
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10 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | Asis | 87269 | ||
EdB I receive what you say. I do not want to learn anything except what God has done and is doing in my life. This forum is a place where the truth is to be spread about. I guess I have a problem when I perceive a campaign to discredit an individual or a group of individuals by one sided commentary. It just goes against my grain when someone is accused by inuendo and is not able to confront their accuser. It reminds me of Rush Limbo (misspelling on purpose)when a caller would start to get an idea across to the audience and He would attack the caller personally. Not on the merits of the argument. It must be the fact that I have been the brunt of this kind of persecution. Antisemetism is still rampant and sometimes I see the same tactics being used on others with contrary beliefs. There are things that Baptists believe the are not correct, Catholics, Jews, Methodists, Anglicans and on and on. But we don't berate their leaders we quote scripture and guide them to ask God to reveal His truth. There is a string from two years ago titled "Caution: Hinn, Meyer, etc." it is seen when this string is viewed. Notice that Meyer is included in the title yet there is not one quote from Meyer in the the text. This is the type of thing I call out. Guilt by association is a propaganda tactic. This is NOT what the Forum is about. Watch out I think I'm about to wave the flag. We must be careful of what we say. Babies are listening. God is true to His word. A person with Jesus as Lord of their life, is walking in wealth and life abundantly no matter what the world perceives. I can own nothing yet be rich with all my needs supplied by my Father who owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Praise God. Loving Him and having the faith of God is what is important. May you have the peace, the shalom, of God in your life nothing missing, nothing broken. Jeff |
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11 | Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? | Matt 24:11 | EdB | 87275 | ||
Jeff "There is a string from two years ago titled "Caution: Hinn, Meyer, etc." it is seen when this string is viewed. Notice that Meyer is included in the title yet there is not one quote from Meyer in the text." Understand these people have been asked about their unscriptural teaching and have refused to change. This wasn't done by a group of people out find fault with others, but rather a group of people God has placed in the ministry of “watchman”. These people study various teachings, obvious the more visible you are the more closely watched you are, and if they find aberrant teaching they approach the person (Matt 18) to see if it in fact is aberrant belief or a mistaken slip of the tongue. In many cases the person confronted sees the mistake, thanks them for pointing out the error and corrects their mistake. Others on the other hand have refused to accept correction and according to Matt 18 they are then exposed to the church. I know in many cases these watchmen have worked with offending preachers over years trying to reconcile them. I listened to Joyce Meyer years ago (15 or more) when she was just starting out on the Radio. She actually taught against some of the things she promotes today. What happened in her ministry is so very common as people try to make the move from small time ministry into a high demand ministry they seek for what draws people. Nothing draws people like the promise of unlimited health, wealth and happiness. If you don’t believe this watch the programs PBS run when they are doing pledge drives. I began with little compromises in her message and later it became more and more serious. Now their faced with a dilemma recant and possibly lose everything they have worked so long to obtain or deny that their teaching is aberrant to Christian orthodoxy. Well I think we all know the answer all we have to do is tune them in. Is the focus of their preaching serving Christ or being served. You have to filter through all the funny stories and all the hogwash and net it out. What did they teach today are we givers or takers. EdB |
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