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1 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171066 | ||
I would like to remind anyone who reads this thread tha Paul said to the married not to deprive one another, because it makes us open to sin. Now lets not become so legalistic to think this man even considered he was putting her open to temptation. Marriage was made offical by the groom showing the blood on the sheets in the OT, when the marriage was consumated. We would not dream of such a thing now. However if for what ever reason either partner does not want or can not consumate the marriage, then it is not a marriage, and it should be desolved if either is unhappy and feels they are not married with out sexual union. I think it is very unsensitive, and so legalistic to say this person should remain with a person who commited fraud in not telling their furture partner of his inability before taking any vows. For those who would put such a burden on someone saying they are doomed in such a situation, remind me of the religious leaders Jesus was attempting to get them to see the light. My oh my, I just can't believe 25 notes to reslove this issue. I WISH THIS MANY WOULD ANSWER A REAL BIBLE QUESTION!!! Is it because it has sex involved that so many jump in? I fear so! When someone askes for information and they are refered to the "Search Box" and let some question like this come up and 25 of you jump in, then something is sure WRONG ! This just should not be, I am saddened in deed! Justme |
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2 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | DocTrinsograce | 171071 | ||
Dear Justme, Compassion toward the injured party is commendable. However, nothing justifies the sin of the lie in the first place. Nothing justifies the sin of the divorce in the second place. Sin is never justified, not even by sin. Never. Period. I am saddened that any of us would encourage anything but holy behavior. The woman in this scenario should be commended for her willingness to sacrifice her own desires and hopes in life for the far better prize of the glory of God. She is treasuring up things in heaven. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171075 | ||
Doc: How can one say this is aBiblical marriage when it was trickery and a fraud by him? This is bondage pure and simple. I love ya brother but this we do not agree on. Peace. Justme |
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4 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | DocTrinsograce | 171077 | ||
Dear Sir, I defer to your greater years and greater experience. The use of emotionally evocative labels will not change the root: The man should not have lied; the woman should not reward the first sin with a second. In HIm, Doc |
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5 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171101 | ||
Dco: How did thewoman sin? Would the staying with a man who has so misrepresented himself, and put her in to the position of bondage be better than leaving that which is not a marriage? Perhaps what is needed is a clear understanding of what marriage is. Marriage is a covenant and inorder to be a binding vow there must be ttruth in what is being vowed. This was a vow made with untruthfulness at the core. The Covenant was void before it was even agreed to by this woman. Thus there was no intend on his part to be a husband in all respects. The woman is not being rewarded, she is being free from evil. This man has entered into something that what he wanted was a woman to be at his call. That is called bondage. How do you define marriage if you believe this is a marriage? I am very serious, not trying to get your goat. Blessings. Justme |
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6 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | DocTrinsograce | 171104 | ||
Dear Justme, I didn't write that the woman sinned. I wrote that she should not respond to the sin of her husband by yet another sin -- the sin of divorce. This is a sinful world. Ultimately no one is guiltless. Nevertheless, the consequence of sin always has its faultless victims. Sometimes in this sinful world we -- through no direct fault of our own -- end up in great difficulties. We are never commanded to throw off the bonds of those difficulties, but to persevere under them. God receives the greater glory when we are truly not at fault, and yet suffer patiently. For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: (1 Peter 2:19-21 KJV) Do not urge this woman to sin. Praise her for her patient endurance and her unwillingness to dishonor her Lord! Sin is never justified, nor is it mitigated by redefinition. The consequences of sin is never eliminated or eased by more sin. Godliness never grows out of sin. Do you really think, sir, that God is helpless to change her circumstances? Do you think that her "bondage" is outside of His sovereign control? In Him, Doc |
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7 | Divorce for no sexual life ever - OK? | Matt 19:9 | justme | 171111 | ||
Dear Doc: Thank you for you reply. I think I need to make it clear I am not coming form a "situation Ethics" position. Perhaps we all are using our past exposure to abuse and suffering as a basis for our understanding of Scripture. I am not from a "Liberation Theology" perspective. However I do believe That Christ liberates us. I have spent time in the high altitude of Bolivia, in the city of La Paz. While there I saw the exploitation of women, that was the worst you can imagine. There too where older men who said they were Christians who used Scripture to justify their ac treatment of their brides. I will use discretion and hope you trust what I saw was heinous. Jesus did more for the elevation of women than we can gleam just from the casual reading of Scripture, which I believe you understand. In general, today in most of the world women have gained so little when compaired to the time of Christ. Specifically Africa, and in many Asian countries. I would also add in many isolated places in the US. Women are still treated as a merchandise, and sold as commodities into slavery. When we as Christian men devalue a woman and permit a man to seduce a woman into bondage, this I know is not compatable with Jesus teachings. Perhaps we too have become side tracked by if this is or is not a marriage. It comes to me that we only have te word of a concerned friend who asked for help. In reality the first answer needs to be a question, are these born again people? I know we have divorced persons in this forum. I surely do not want to make them feel more pain by suggestion that some sins can not be forgiven. The end results is still the same, and God forgives all sins the same way. I know of no one who does not bare the scars of sin. Does it not get down to that only God can offer any hope in this or any other marriage problem? Hardness of heart is sin. Much can be said to justify her feelings. I am know God is able heal this, but only when both are willing to seek His will for their lives. The reality is very few seek His will, and they will have a verl long road ahead that will be hurtful for a very long time. Our response needs to show our Christian love above all else. If she deceides to make the choice to stay, or to leave, her direction will be one that she can makes. Instead of debating how we understand Scripture, let us agree to pray for her and him. That's all we can do from this point on. Justme |
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