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1 | Can we change God's Will? | Mal 3:6 | kalos | 162993 | ||
"IF God changed His mind, in that He adapted to new information, then God does not know all things (1 John 3:20)..." ____________________ 'For convenience sake, I have reproduced the comments on Exodus 32:12-14 here. ' Different Bibles translate this verse differently. The NASB says, "the Lord changed His mind." The NIV and NKJV say "The Lord relented." The KJV, RSV, and the 1901 ASV say, "The Lord repented." The Hebrew word at issue here is for relent/repent is nacham. There are 108 occurrences in the Old Testament. The KJV translates it as “comfort” 57 times, “repent” 41 times, “comforter” nine times, and “ease” once.1 ' The issue, of course, is whether or not God actually goes through a process of changing His mind due to learning something as the open theists would maintain. But, is God actually reacting to knew information or is He working on our level, in our reference, for our benefit? The context is important. Moses was up on Mount Sinai receiving the Ten Commandments. The people had become impatient as they waited for him to return. So, they then made a golden calf to worship. God then says to Moses in Exodus 32:10, “Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them, and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation.” Moses then intercedes for the Jews and asks God to not destroy them. '"Turn from Thy burning anger and change Thy mind about doing harm to Thy people. 13“Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Thy servants to whom Thou didst swear by Thyself, and didst say to them, ‘I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’” 14So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people," (Exodus 32:12-14, NASB). ' First of all, it is apparent that Moses disobeyed God's instruction to leave God alone (v. 10). Instead of Moses listening to God, he pleads with God to spare Israel and God relents. Why? What is the significance of God allowing Himself to be swayed by the interceding work of Moses on behalf of Israel? Why did God not ignore Moses' request and go ahead and destroy the nation? The answer is simple: because of Jesus. Jesus said in John 5:39, "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of Me." Jesus says that the Bible is about Him. Certainly, such an important figure as Moses must reflect Jesus in some way, and he does. As Moses interceded for his people, Jesus also intercedes for His. God listened to Moses, because God would listen to Jesus. ' Second, we must ask if God was or was not aware of the condition of the hearts of the people of Israel. Open theism states that God knows all of the present exhaustively, including the attitudes and thoughts of all people. Now, didn't God know the hearts of the people? Didn't He know that they were ready for idolatry? Are we to believe that God didn't know that there were going to be a host of Jews who would most certainly fall into idolatry if Moses was up on the mount too long? It seems so. Yet, God allowed them the time necessary to fall into idolatry. Moses then ordered that the Levites kill those who opposed God and about 3,000 fell that day (Exodus 32:28). It is interesting to note that in Acts, when Peter preached and the Spirit of God moved on people and they were saved, 3,000 were added that day to the church (Acts 2:41). When the Law was given, 3,000 died. When the gospel was given, 3,000 were saved. ' Third, God often waits until something happens before He "makes His move." In the Garden of Eden, God waits to come on the scene until after Adam and Eve sinned. God promises Abraham he would be the father of a great nation, but waits until after Ishmael is born before he allows Abraham to have Isaac. Jesus waited until Lazarus died before going to resurrect him. In fact, Jesus' incarnation did not occur until the time of Roman oppression and Pharisaical legalistic apostasy. Can we not also expect that God had Moses wait on the Mount until the people of Israel fell into idolatry so that He might desire to exterminate them, and so that Moses might intercede (as a type of Christ), so that God might show His mercy?... 'Conclusion '...If God changed His mind, in that He adapted to knew information, then God does not know all things (1 John 3:20), did not even know the then present condition of the Israelites, waited too long with Moses on Mt. Sinai, and was influenced by Moses who disobeyed God's command to leave God alone. It would make more sense to say that God waited for a reason, threatened to destroy Israel, and allowed Moses to intercede on their behalf so they would be saved.' ____________________ www.carm.org/open/Deut9_13.htm |
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2 | Can we change God's Will? | Mal 3:6 | jlpangilinan | 163028 | ||
so are you saying really that the prayer of moses is meant nothing to God. | ||||||
3 | Can we change God's Will? | Mal 3:6 | lionheart | 163039 | ||
jlpangilinan, I have briefly read through this thread so as to do my best to avoid any misunderstanding on my part.The bible says much on the will and character of God,God is not so fickle that anything I say or do will change his will.Now with all that in mind it was never Gods will for anyone to die. 2 Peter 3:9- The Lord is not slow about his promise,as some count slowness,but is patient toward you,not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. We run into problems every time we try to fit the Word of God around our believing instead of fitting our believing around His Word. 2 Peter 1:20,21. 2 Timothy 2:15,3:16,17, are foundational scriptures when it comes to our study and understanding of the scriptures.When we have these firmly imbedded in our hearts,minds,and lives then this a becomes so much clearer and powerfull for all of us. 2 Timothy 1:7 bigtime my brothers and sisters in Christ. In Him, lionheart |
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