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1 | Verse 14 About Judas or Israel and Judah | Zech 11:14 | bowler | 206595 | ||
The rest of the verse surrounding this verse are talking about Judas the betrayer, as far as I can tell from verses 13 - 17, but 14 doesn't seem to fit, but seem to have something to do with Zechariah's time. I am trying to figure out how verse 14 could be applied to Judas, it seems to have more to do with verses 6 - 12 of the same passage and seems to speak more to Zechariah telling the people of his time that the Lord is going to allow them to be split in two as a nation. Chapters 12 and 13 also would uphold this notion of what 13:6 - 17 are about. How should we understand verse 14 - as future prophecy of Judas, or as present prophecy of a split Israel? blessins abound, bowler |
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2 | Verse 14 About Judas or Israel and Judah | Zech 11:14 | Beja | 206601 | ||
Personally I understand the whole passage to be referring to the current situation. I just don't think the reference to the thirty pieces of silver in verse 13 merits understanding the whole passage as speaking about Judas. Far more likely it is talking about the very near judgement of God on this nation and later thinkers has the infamous 30 pieces of silver in mind when reading it. | ||||||
3 | Verse 14 About Judas or Israel and Judah | Zech 11:14 | bowler | 206619 | ||
beja I tend to agree with your assesment here. The problem becomes with what Mathew did with one verse as taking it out of context from what Zechariah meant as if it was a prophecy about Judas rather than a prophecy about evil shepherds back then. And a further problem becomes that it is attributed to the wrong author by the apostle Mathew as being Jeremiah, but it only appears in Zechariah. The next problem becomes that it is a prophecy about Judas that did come true and that Mathew was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote about Judas and the 30 pieces of silver. Verse 14 which is what I asked about, being the Staff Union breaking the brotherhood of Israel in two parts could be talking about the breaking up of Israel over Jesus Christ. Which it did do, which is why I asked. There are times when prophecies get doubly fulfilled and I am wondering if this is one of them? The whole passage? Because the elements fit both time periods and came true in both time periods - the flock was scattereda after the betrayal of the one shepherd, the group of shepherds became evil and God decided not to pastor them anymore, God broke His covenant in both instances, Zechariah threw the thirty pieces of silver to the potter after being paid by the people and Judas threw the thirty pieces of silver to those who did not value the one shepherd, Israel became divided in both instances, the sheep were devoured in both instances, the evil shepherd was punished in both instances. I wonder what you think? Perhaps I am wrong? blessings abound, bowler |
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