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1 | Ex 12:29 | Ex 12:23 | heman | 233934 | ||
Dear Brad: Don't you know the Book of Job is a parable and not to be taken literally? Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable, and said, I will teach you by the hand of God: that which is with the Almighty will I not conceal. Job 27:11 To forsake the Devil is to forsake the worship of Demons or Ghosts and of all false gods whatsoever collectively called the Devil. The “Devil”, then, is a symbol of lust and an vivid hypostatization of idolatry in aggregate. This language cannot be reconciled with the orthodox position. ..and rejecting the devil as a supernatural evil being: Satan is nothing else but Adversary, and is to be understood according to the Subject to which it is applied. Thus being bound of Satan means no more than that which was an Adversary to Health, be it what it would. The cases of demon-possession in the Synoptic Gospels do not describe the activity of literal devils, but instead reflect the (mistaken) beliefs of first-century Jews...to beleive that men or weomen can really divine, charm, inchant, bewitch or converse with spirits is a superstition and that the orthodox understanding of demons was an early heresy imported from paganism:the devil in Scripture was never the supernatural evil being of orthodox theology, and that all temptation comes from the lust of the heart:those who claim to be tempted by a personal devil are deluded and provoked by their own fleshly imagination. http://dlxs2.library.cornell.edu/ Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and the adversary came also among them to present himself before the LORD.In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. Job 12:10 Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? Job 27:22 For God shall cast upon him, and not spare: he would fain flee out of his hand. Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips. Job 19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me. ..why is it that demon possession was so frequent in the 1st century, and yet so rare since and yet find scarce any mention of them before, or any authentic accounts of them since that time; in contemporary authors of other countries? http://dlxs2.library.cornell.edu/ |
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2 | Ex 12:29 | Ex 12:23 | BMyers | 233937 | ||
No Herman, I disagree with you and the book of Job being a parable, please explain why you think it is a parable? So Herman, are you saying that Jesus did not cast demons out? The disciples did not cast out demons? Are you saying the Scriptures are not true? I went to the link you provided and it sent me to various links to different libraries, so what article or reference material are you referring to? Are all the following passages false then? Matthew 9:32-33; 12:22; 17:18; Mark 5:1-20; 7:26-30; Luke 4:33-36; Luke 22:3; Acts 16:16-18. I guess you have not read some of the same articles and books that I have which state that demon possession and being demonized is still alive today. Herman, do you believe the Bible? Brad |
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3 | Exo 12:29 | Ex 12:23 | heman | 233941 | ||
Yes, don't you? Then why did you ask if it was a parable? Job 27:1 Moreover Job continued his parable, and said, 27:11 I will teach you by the hand of God: that which is with the Almighty will I not conceal. Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? NEWTON: For Newton, therefore, demons were figures for disordered psychotic states. The cases of demon possession in the Synoptic Gospels do not describe the activity of literal devils, but instead reflect the (mistaken) beliefs of first-century Jews. Newton goes on to say that to beleive that men or weomen can really divine, charm, inchant, bewitch or converse with spirits is a superstition of the same nature wth beleiving that the idols of the gentiles were not vanities but had spirits really seated in them. Newton laid the blame for the rise of the pagan doctrines about demons in the Church at the door of his ecclesiastical nemesis Athanasius. Later than Muggleton, but earlier than Bekker, Newton came to the same conclusion as both of them that the devil in Scripture was never the supernatural evil being of orthodox theology, and that all temptation comes from the lust of the heart: The logical corollary to Newton views on evil spirits is that those who claim to be tempted by a personal devil are deluded and provoked by their own fleshly imagination. Newton paradoxical questions concerning Athanasius,an important manuscript held at the Clark Library dating from the early 1690s, makes this clear. The evil then, is a symbol of lust and an vivid hypostatization of idolatry in aggregate. Stephen Snobelen, Lust, Pride, And Ambition: Isaac Newton And The Devil pages 7, 8,9,10,11,12 November 2002 Early Bible fundamentalist Unitarians and Dissenters like Lardner, Mead, Farmer, Ashdowne and Simpson, and Epps taught that the miraculous healings of the Bible were real, but that the devil was an allegory, and demons just the medical language of the day. Much of the popular history of the Devil is not biblical; instead, it is a post-medieval Christian reading of the scriptures influenced by medieval and pre-medieval Christian popular mythology. 1. Originally, only the epithet of "the satan" ("the adversary") was used to denote the character in the Hebrew deity's court that later became known as "the Devil." (The term "satan" was also used to designate human enemies of the Hebrews that Yahweh raised against them.) The article was lost and this title became a proper name: Satan. There is no unambiguous reference to the Devil in the Torah, the Prophets, or the Writings. 2. T. J. Wray, Gregory Mobley The birth of Satan pp.66-68 3. has been erroneously interpreted by some to mean Satan, "the Devil", but such is not the case. The Hebrew Bible views ha-satan as an angel ministering to the desires of God, acting as Chief Prosecutor. Carus P. History of the Devil and the Idea of Evil Ashdowne, AN INQUIRY INTO THE Scripture Meaning of the Word SATAN, AND ITS SYNONIMOUS TERMS, The DEVIL, or the ADVERSARY, and the WICKED-ONE page 40, 1794 Burke, J. Christianity in the Witch Hunt Era, 2008 |
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4 | Exo 12:29 | Ex 12:23 | BMyers | 233946 | ||
Herman are you talking about Isaac Newton? "Newton was not an orthodox theologian. It has long been known that he denied the doctrine of the Trinity, that central pillar of orthodox Christendom" (On which, see Frank E. Manuel, The religion of Isaac Newton (Oxford: Clarendon, 1974), 57-63; Richard S. Westfall, Never at rest: a biography of Isaac Newton (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1980), 310-20 Brad PS-Yes, I do believe the Bible, no I don't believe Job is a parable. |
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