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1 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | Love Fountain | 35121 | ||
Dan 11:32-36 32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. 33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. KJV The people that do know there God who will be strong and do exploits and "they that understand among the people shall instruct many" in the book of Daniel are who in the New Testament? Since this is about a future time when antichrist shall stand up, who are these people that know their God and what is it they understand which they will need to instruct many? Bless you for your thoughts, Love Fountain |
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2 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | benjamite | 35126 | ||
According to two distinct commentaries, Daniel 11:21-35 refer to the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes - during the time of the Apocryphal Writings - I believe in the Maccabees (c. 175-150 BC). 11:36 then begins the description of the Antichrist's career. In Him, Benjamite |
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3 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | Love Fountain | 35130 | ||
Dear Benjamite, According to the commentaries then are you saying that the book of Daniel is history and not prophetic, in relations to the end time? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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4 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | benjamite | 35150 | ||
Did you miss this statement? "11:36 then begins the description of the Antichrist's career." This is still future from OUR standpoint (as the rest of it was also future from Daniel's). This actually continues through the end of the chapter, and is prophetic, in relations to the end time. The reason why I mentioned the commentaries is because there are so many different viewpoints regarding Daniel's prophecies. I have not checked all the commentaries (which should be obvious), but most of the more reliable ones which I have read agree on the history so accurately depicted in Daniel (but written several hundred years beforehand). The "history" part - from our standpoint - continues up through 11:35. Benjamite |
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5 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | Love Fountain | 35176 | ||
Dear Benjamite, Thanks for your response. When you say,"11:36 then begins the description of the Antichrist's career." This is still future from OUR standpoint (as the rest of it was also future from Daniel's), this belief is confusing to me. For one reason is Dan 11:21 - Dan 12:3 is what I believed to be future for "us". Please read in verse 21 that the antichrist is called "a vile person" in the KJV, which is one of twelve titles given to the antichrist. Who else could this be? I also would like to know which two commentaries I can read that say future is from Dan 11:36 on and that Dan 11:21 - 35 are past. Many scholars believe that in Dan 11:31, "take away the daily sacrifice", marks the middle of the "week" or the last seven years. Many believe from this point the antichrist is energized by satan. My question still stands, who are the people from Dan 11:32 who know their God and do exploits and where are they in the New Testament with reference to the end time? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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6 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | benjamite | 35186 | ||
Charles C. Ryrie, in his Study Bible - Antiochus through v. 35, and then Antichrist 36ff (notes on Dan 11:21-35, and 36-45) Of v. 32, 33 - "Some Jews resisted [Antiochus] and were martyred". Jaimeson, Fausset, and Brown, in "Commentary on the Whole Bible", on Dan 11:21ff, and 36ff, basically says the same. (Although, they say of v. 36ff, "The willful king here, though primarily Antiochus, is antitypically and mainly Antichrist." The people of verse 32-33 are "the Maccabees and their followers". A.C. Gaebelein, in his commentary "The Prophet Daniel: A Key to the Visions and Prophecies of the Book of Daniel" (19th edition), says, "While there is no difficulty to prove the historical fulfillment of verses 2-35 it is impossible to locate anything in history which corresponds to verses 36-45." (p. 179-180) Of v. 32ff, "This has reference to the noble Maccabees. There was also suffering and persecution." John F. Walvoord, in "Daniel: the Key to Prophetic Revelation" (c. 1971, 1989 Moody Bible Institute), sees 11:21-35 as referring to Antiochus IV, followed by 11:36ff as referring to the Antichrist (see notes on 11:21-23 and 11:36). Of verse 32, he says, "The continued opposition of Antiochus to the Jewish faith is prophesied in verse 32, indicating how he attempts to corrupt them; but the strong reaction of the Jewish people is indicated in the expression 'but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.'" I hope you don't mind "4 for the price of 2" - I had a little more time to do research for my response. Who are the "many scholars" that believe the split is in v. 31? In Him, Benjamite |
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7 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | Love Fountain | 35211 | ||
Dear Benjamite, ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION. Interpreted by premillennialists as the idolatrous image to be set up by the final Antichrist (the "beast," or "man of lawlessness" of 2 Thess 2:3-4) in the restored Temple at Jerusalem in the latter half of Daniel's seventieth week (Dan 9:27; 12:11). For the first part of the three and one-half days (years) of the prophetic week of years, the Antichrist keeps his covenant with the Jews. At the beginning of the last half of the week he breaks it (Zech 11:16-17), compelling the Jews to worship his image. This is "the abomination (idol) of the desolator" or "the idol that causes desolation" (cf. Dan 11:31; 12:11), inaugurating the period of "Jacob's trouble" (Jer 30:7), a time of terrible suffering to Palestinian Jews of the end time, of which our Lord spoke (Matt 24:15). In Dan 11:31 the reference is to the act of Antiochus Epiphanes, prototype of the final Antichrist, who, in June 168 BC desecrated the Temple at Jerusalem. He built an altar to Jupiter Olympus on the altar of burnt offering, dedicated the Temple to this heathen deity, and offered swine's flesh. Premillennialists maintain that neither Antiochus Epiphanes nor the Romans under Titus in A.D. 70 AD exhausted Daniel's prophecy, which still awaits fulfillment. Amillennial interpretation, however, sees a fulfillment in the advance of the Romans against Jerusalem in A.D. 70 AD with their image-crowned standards, which were regarded as idols by the Jews. (From The New Unger's Bible Dictionary. Originally published by Moody Press of Chicago, Illinois. Copyright (c) 1988.) ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION A despicable misuse of the Temple of the Lord during a time of great trouble-an event foretold by the prophet Daniel. The phrase is found in Matt 24:15 and Mark 13:14 as a quotation from Dan 11:31 and 12:11. In Daniel, the words mean "the abomination that makes desolate." In other words, Daniel prophesied that the Temple would be used for an "abominable" purpose at some time in the future. As a result, God's faithful people would no longer worship there-so great would be their moral revulsion, contempt, and abhorrence at the sacrilege-and the Temple would become "desolate." According to the verses in the gospels, a similar misuse of the Temple would take place in the future. This would show that a time of great trouble was coming on Judea. People should take warning and flee to the mountains (Matt 24:16; Mark 13:14). Some believe Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled about 165 BC when Antiochus IV (Epiphanes), Greek ruler of Syria, polluted the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem by sacrificing a pig on the holy altar. This sacrificing of an UNCLEAN pig was the worst kind of abomination that could have taken place. These people also believe the prophecy in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark was fulfilled when the Romans sacked the Jewish Temple about A.D. 70 AD. But others believe just as strongly that neither of these prophecies has yet been completely fulfilled. They insist that the abomination of desolation refers to the idolatrous image or the "man of sin" who will take over God's place in the Temple and make people bow down and worship him (2 Thess 2:3-4). According to this interpretation, this will be the final act of sacrilege that marks the beginning of the end time. (from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers) Bless you, Love Fountain |
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8 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | benjamite | 35217 | ||
I accept what you are saying and will comment on this point "Premillennialists maintain that neither Antiochus Epiphanes nor the Romans under Titus in A.D. 70 AD exhausted Daniel's prophecy, which still awaits fulfillment." I would say that the part from 11:36 onward awaits fulfillment. By the way, three (maybe all four) of the references I cited are, in fact, pre-mil - Ryrie, Walvoord, and Gaebelein. Gesundheit, Benjamite |
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9 | Where are the people of Dan 11:32 in NT? | Dan 11:32 | Love Fountain | 35222 | ||
Dear Benjamite, Thank you again for your response. In the Bible we have many examples of things to come which happen in the past so that we are not left untold of what is to come or what has been. History repeats itself into existence of a future occurrence time and time again. So with this in mind, my question still stands, where are the people in Dan 11:32 in the NT? History leads us to believe the Macabbeans in that time as you have stated , but how about the future, which is what my question is focused on? What do you think? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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