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1 | Contrast Exodus 20:5 and Ezekiel 18:20? | Ezek 18:20 | Beja | 206600 | ||
I would ask three questions of myself to guide my decision on how to understand these two passages in relation to one another. 1. What is the difference between "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children" found in Exodus 20:5, and the "bear the punishment for the father's iniquity" in Ezekiel 18:20. Do you beieve that is a different way of saying the same thing? Or do you think perhaps Exodus is referring to the fact that the sins of the fathers have cascading consequences affecting future generations and the Ezekiel is talking about actual moral guilt in God's eyes. 2. In Exodus 20:5 it says "on the third and fourth generations of those who hate me." Who do you think "of those who hate me" is referring to? It could be referring to future generations who hate him. But I find that doubtful to be honest. 3. In Ezekiel God seems to be explicitly explaining how he accounts sin upon people while in Exodus He seems to be more so making a statement about who he is rather than trying to give an explicit account of his book keeping techniques. Because this statement is remarkably similiar to the statement God makes in Exodus 34:6,7 where God reveals himself to Moses in the form of a key statement of his character. A statement that went on to be a central defining description of who he was. I'm not so much giving you an answer but telling you that how I resolved the previous three questions in my head would very likely determine how I personally understand the two passages. Think about it, pray about it and see what you think. |
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2 | Contrast Exodus 20:5 and Ezekiel 18:20? | Ezek 18:20 | bowler | 206618 | ||
beja I am thinking of what you say about "who is being referred to" I think that is very key here. God was referring to the people of Israel under the leaderhsip of Moses and in this passage God is promising to punish those who practiced idol worship by punishing their descendants of those who had hated God, that is a clear. It reminds me of how God did not necessarily punish Ham for his crime, but punished Canaan and his descendants instead. This is why I do not see how "visiting the inquity of the fathers on the children" in Exodus, is not somehow being changed by God to that He will no longer do that in Ezekiel. Father's iniquity is father's iniquity. There seem to be two differences between passages. In Exodus it is talking about idol worship, in Ezekiel is seems to be talking about any sin including idol worship. In Exodus it is talking about corporate sin, in Ezekiel it is talking about individual sin. In answer to your three questions - 1)Exodus is saying God avenges the sins of idol worship of the father on the sons. Ezekiel is saying sons no longer carry any of the sins of the father regardless of the type of sin it is. 2)Exodus is saying God will avenge the sins of the fathers who turn away from God and worship idols down onto the third and fourth generations of the sons without qualifying if they also do so. Ezekiel is saying the person who sins will bear their sin and their soul will die unless they repent, and the types of sins are qualified in verse 5-13 and includes idol worship. 3)Exodus has God both giving specific commandments of what Israel should do and what He will God if Israel did not comply, and is also a snapshot of His character as in Exodus 34. Ezekiel has God giving specfic explanations of what He will now do things like in keeping with both passages of Exodus of how He deals with sin, and as well provides a next snapshot of what kind of character He has in dealing with sinners. 4)In both the Exodus and Ezekiel passages God lays out how He will deal with sin, either corporately, or indivdualy, and in both passages deals with idol worship. Question, may we safely say that while God surely intended to punish corporate idol worship onto generations, that God was willing to only impute individual sins to the doer rather than the descendant, and be able to says this about those who committed idol worship? Next question - or is it that God did a progression of how He chose to impute the punishment of sin? That there was a change then, of imputation of sin from the father onto the sons back onto the original doer? Thank you very much for your insights. blessings abound, bowler |
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3 | Contrast Exodus 20:5 and Ezekiel 18:20? | Ezek 18:20 | Beja | 206689 | ||
My thoughts on this is that the "visiting" the sins on later generations is not talking about the same thing as Ezekiel. Ezekiel is talking about actualy moral guilt and the perishing that goes with standing guilty before God. While I think Exodus is saying something with regards to how our sins will effect future generations, I believe the main idea in Exodus is that God is a God who takes sin very very seriously, and punishes it seriously, but much more does he reward those who love him. | ||||||
4 | Contrast Exodus 20:5 and Ezekiel 18:20? | Ezek 18:20 | DocTrinsograce | 206692 | ||
Good answers, pastor. As one who will give account (Hebrews 13:17), we pray for your ministry and your flock. We are glad for your having joined our forum. In Him, Doc |
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