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1 | Judgement does not heal abuse. | Jer 5:31 | Hatshepsut | 86523 | ||
This is a note to Scribe. Your comment concerning the church and abuse seemed pretty judgemental. Actually, that is part of the problem. Abuse is not a denominational or sectarian issue. It is not even an issue of whether or not a person is born again. You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. We are born of the spirit( Genesis 1:26,27; John 3:1-5). We are also clothed in our physical bodies (Genesis 2:7;John 3:6). If we are honest with ourselves, we will admit that, though our spirits are redeemed, our souls are in a continual state of redemption. The Bible says that we must "work out our own soul's salvation". Romans tells us to be renewed (born again) in our minds, not our spirits. None of us is guiltless, even those who have been saved by grace. While neither I nor God condone my husband's former behavior or my pastor's negligence, their salvation is not in question. Scribe, of all the churches you were in, I'm sure you do not know how many women were frightened into silence. Do you know the signs of an abusive relationship? Do you know that 1 in every 6 women in communities of faith is abused? Do you know that out of those 6, 4 of them are physically abused? Do you have any idea of the long term psychologically trauma caused by verbal abuse? Do you know that bruises may heal but the fear factor goes on for years, even for the life of the person abused? My pastor preached against abuse. She had been a victim of it herself. We disagreed on how she handled my particular case. Was she called to minister? Yes. I belonged to that congregation for fourteen years and grew tremendously under her teaching. I would not have even known enough to fight my abuser if it hadn't been for the word she had taught me. I have learned that pastors are human beings just like us and we are in sin when we put them on pedestals and dare them to make mistakes. My trust is in God, not humans. When I acknowledged this, I was able to forgive and move on. Judgement does not bring healing. All of us are guilty of foolishness at one time or many times. Does that mean we are not saved? No. It means we are hewn men. It means we are unlearned, undeveloped or underdeveloped in that area. I no longer live with my husband but I continue to pray for him. He is a man of great revelation. He was a good provider and he did the best he could with what he had. Unfortuneately for him, he was raised and nurtured in an atmosphere of violence. That is not an excuse since at any time he could have made a choice to change. Change is difficult, especially when you have to face yourself and admit your own sin. You said we don't need a movement. You claim that it is a losing game. In a society that teaches men that "head of household" means ruler and dictator, and wife means "one who serves", someone must bring about the balance. God is depending on the church to do that but first we must clean up our own house. After all, doesn't God's judgement start with us? Statistically one in every three women has been abused by someone they love. (These are only the reported cases.) Yes, a movement is needed. Over 1,000 women every three minutes dies at the hands of a loved one. Yes, a movement is needed. Women are at a 50-100 percent greater risk of fatality once they leave their abusers. Yes, a movement is needed. There were no shelters or aide in existence for families fleeing domestic violence until around 1969 or 79 and even now there are only 1,000 in the United States. You do the math. A movement by the body of Christ is definitely needed. An educated movement that works in co-existence with the social movement, not against it. Movement equals growth. Anything that doesn't grow dies, no matter what it is wombed from. Scribe, often times with us hewn men, the Spirit is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak. We are not to condemn those who sin, but to forgive and to help them. I help by continuing to love, forgive and pray for those who have abused or neglected me. The Bible tells me that when I do this, I am blessed. And so it is. Be Blessed. |
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2 | Judgement does not heal abuse. | Jer 5:31 | Scribe | 86548 | ||
Part 2 of 2 However the majority of divorces (as to the man's opinion) is due to this sin of the women. The majority of divorces are not coming from the man beating the woman (not to make light of that horrible plague, for one case is too many) the majority of divorces from the man's view is coming from the women not getting control of her wagging tongue. She pulls down her house with her own hands and then weeps bitterly and blames the man when he abandons her. Is the man justified for leaving his wife. no not at all... he deals treacherously with her for doing so. Malachi 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. But nevertheless, I see one of the greatest needs in the church to be that of teaching the women that to live like this.. never controlling your tongue and pouring out negative poison on your husband daily is going to lead to divorce and she will only have herself to blame. Women need to understand that what seems like a light thing to them is in God's eyes a horrible sin. So we read.. Ephesians 4:31-32 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. Now when a woman reads this and never does it, she is like a woman who build her house on the sand. Matthew 7:24-29 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes. We have the promise keepers to help direct the church of men back into the revelation that they should not leave their wives. Now we need a Kindness Keepers organization to remind the women to quit trying to see if their men will leave be seeing how far they can push them with their tongues. And in these meetings we need to remind the church that what comes out of the mouth reveals the condition of the heart. Jesus said that these things defile the man. If a woman is spewing out poison on her husband, then why isn’t she feeling doubt about her heavenly destiny. I certainly would be. I would be convicted and be repenting in dust and ashes. Why do women so often spew out fruits of hell and then get ready for church? I ask this in such a way as to provoke us to see it the way God sees it, fear God and quit thinking we can act that way and still go to heaven. |
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3 | Judgement does not heal abuse. | Jer 5:31 | Hatshepsut | 86558 | ||
Love is the premise of salvation. Salvation is the result of love(John 3:16). The body of Christ has the right to judge a man's actions, but not his spirit. Only God knows what is in the spirit of a man (or woman). You and I are on different planes of sight concerning these issues. In order to dispel what might become foolish arguments, this is my final response. |
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